WDBJ Virginia Shooting: Hoax Theories Debunked

Alison Parker, Adam Ward, Vicki Gardner

Within minutes of news breaking that a young reporter and her cameraman were shot dead in Virginia, social media users were decrying the apparent tragedy a hoax – They’re Wrong

I don’t say that out of hand. I watched Alison Parker, Adam Ward and interviewee Vicki Gardner stand within feet of the killer like everyone else, baffled that they never even saw him brandishing a gun. However my immediate response to this anomaly wasn’t to call it a “Freemason-Illuminati Media Hoax” and begin mocking the apparent victims. It was to sit back, analyse the footage and wonder whether there are any reasonable explanations for the way the shooting went down.

There are, and I’m going to share them.

… You may find the following material graphic and insensitive. Reader discretion is advised!

Why Did They Not See The Shooter?

WDBJ cameraman Adam Ward moments before shootingThere’s several layers to this question, starting with the possibility that Parker and Gardner did see the shooter (named as Vester Flanagan). Truthers who only deal with black and white will say that this means they were all acting. What they fail to consider is that despite seeing him at some point, it doesn’t mean they saw his gun or understood his intentions. We can exclude Adam Ward from this question because he was busy panning his camera across the scenery below (a standard establishing shot) before settling on the two women talking.

Let’s get one thing straight, this was a live TV broadcast. Parker as a professional will have experienced the presence of bystanders during filming many times, her job is essentially to ignore them, especially if they are close enough to cause a distraction. There are no second takes in live TV. Her sole focus is her interview subject, not a man she would have no fathomable way of knowing was about to shoot her. If she recognized the man as Flanagan, that’s even more reason to keep composure and ensure he doesn’t ruin the broadcast.

Ask yourself an honest question. How many times have you walked down a street, sat on a train, or been in a waiting room and completely ignored the person right next to you? Sure, you know they’re there, but you may only glance at them a couple of times, regardless of how loud they’re sneezing or how frantically they’re rummaging through their bag. Humans are pretty good at zoning out their surroundings, especially when they’re focussed on a specific task. Ever played a video game and completely ignored somebody standing next to the TV?

To illustrate this directly, how many times have you seen a public news broadcast where people are darting all over the place, or even deliberately trying to be a nuisance, but the reporter remains focussed on their job? Every time, because that’s what they do.

AlisonParker spots shooter Vester Flanagan
For a split second Parker spots shooter Flanagan.

Vester Flanagan points gun at Alison Parker
What’s tragic after analysing the footage from the shooter’s perspective is that there is a split second that Parker notices him, but this is before he pulls out the gun, and she immediately goes back to Gardner. By time the gun is out Gardner is being asked a question and is focussed on Parker. Her head is also turned away from Flanagan.

[Update: There’s a lot of people online who are simply refusing to accept that the ladies didn’t see the gun, but that is not an evidence based assessment. We have the video and we know for a fact that neither of them looked at any point after the gun was drawn. Like a horror film we can all scream “he’s behind you” but sadly that doesn’t change reality. Parker was obviously aware of Flanagan’s presence as noted, but not that he was armed with anything other than the cell phone camera he initially approached them with. Parker immediately begins asking Gardner a rather lengthy question after her brief glance at Flanagan. If she was distracted even a little bit her words would have slowed down and she would have been umming and ahhing. Experiment at home, try and recite a question to somebody while taking on board other stimuli. It’s extremely difficult. She did not see the gun!]

After this point Flanagan then lowers the weapon and moves back behind cameraman Ward, choosing to open fire when the women are in the TV camera’s full view. Some may say this itself is suspicious, but we can already deduce that he was there to make an impact. If he wasn’t, he’d have killed Parker on the quiet. So ensuring this went out live simply fits the MO of a narcissistic killer. He also had his own camera to capture his crime!

That being said we don’t know for sure what was going through his mind, he could have just as easily been panicking, stepping forward and then stepping back as he internally jostled with what he was about to do. Assuming they’re all actors because of these actions is to brush aside the complexities of human behaviour.

So why did Parker and Gardner not see him? Parker definitely did, but it was only momentarily as the ladies were focussed on the task at hand. It’s not like they would have been alert and looking out for a gunman that morning.

Is The Shooter’s Hand White?

Does Virginia shooter have white hands?

This is one of those “you see what you want to see” situations. As a white guy with peachy coloured skin, it doesn’t seem like the hand in the shooter’s footage is Caucasian to me. It’s certainly light, perhaps from a tanned white guy or Mexican, but the pigmentation is also 100% in-line with that of an African American. Looking at Flanagan’s hands and general complexion in other images tells us all we need to know about this silly claim.

Vester Flanagan as Bryce Williams WDBJ 7

Vester Flanagan has light skin

And let’s face it, if this was a set-up to frame a black guy, the hoaxers would probably use a black guy!

Oh, like the black guy caught on the news camera for a split second:

Vester Flanagan captured by news camera

Is The Shooter Wearing Black or Blue?

This is another one of those illogical and absolutist points that the truthers haven’t fully considered. It stems from comparing the blue sleeve we see from the shooter’s perspective to the brief clip of the shooter from the news camera’s perspective, which is after he’s started firing and is closer to the darker roofed area.

Virginia shooter blue sleeve black jacket

In some versions of the clip and screencap the clothing looks very dark, close to black (although not jet black), in others he’s clearly wearing blue and there’s nothing suspicious about it at all. We can logically conclude that this is just the contrast between the two cameras and the change in lighting, and the various differences in quality and format as the clips have made their way online. It’s also worth noting that the blue shirt is unbuttoned with something darker underneath.

shooter Vester Flanagan wearing blue

To play devil’s advocate, why would they make all of these so called continuity errors if it was staged?

There’s No Blood, How Did She Run?

First of all this isn’t a video game or a horror film, so don’t expect blood to be squirting at the cameras. Unless there’s an exit wound or an artery has been hit, it’s actually quite rare to see any kind of visible spray. (WARNING CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK)this video of a detainee shooting himself point blank in the head doesn’t even create that much gore. Parker has turned within 2 seconds, so if she was hit somewhere on her left side, it’s quite possible we wouldn’t see a thing.

That being said we don’t really know where Parker was hit or even if she was hit by those initial 3 bullets. They could have grazed her, they could have hit her where it wouldn’t have immediately immobilized the body or caused massive exterior bleeding. Just like hunted animals people do run when they’ve been shot and their flight mode has kicked in. If they didn’t there would be no such thing as shooting survivors would there?

Reports suggest Flanagan was using a Glock 19, a small 9mm handgun, not much different from what is used by police officers, citizens and criminals across the world. While he mentioned buying hollow point bullets in reference to the Charleston shooting, there is no confirmation that this is the type of ammo he used in the real world.

In reviewing numerous videos of real life shootings online, the vast majority show no visible blood spatter and many victims run after being hit. Here’s a sample:

point blank shooting

No blood spatter.

convenience store shooting

No blood spatter.

cop shoots man running

Runs some distance.

no blood spatter

No blood spatter.

Ohio body cam footage

Shot point blank in the head, no horror film blood.

cop shoots bystander

Gets shot keeps running and collapses off camera.

So is it possible that she could have been hit without any immediate sign of blood or injury, and had the ability to run off? Absolutely. It’s also worth mentioning that her black and red clothing are not the best of colours if the goal is to spot fresh wounds within 2 seconds, from less than perfect video footage.

Likewise most real life shooting videos also don’t seem to pick up the presence of shell casings, so there’s nothing unique about that either. Cameras are often not at a frame rate high enough to capture them being ejected at high speeds. Also remember we’re seeing the shots from the shooter’s perspective. Shell casings often fly behind, to the feet, or to either side of the shooter. There’s no reason why we should see them pinging out in front, especially if they are ejected to the right (like most Glocks) because the gun is so close to the right hand side of the screen and the camera angle is to the left of the gun.

This is why so called comparison videos made by truthers are disingenuous. They’ll show a perfectly captured and slowed down video of a gun being fired with a good angle on the ejection, and then compare it with the low quality vertical clip of this incident where half the time the shooter’s hand is almost out of view and we don’t even see the right hand side where the casings would be ejected.

In the higher quality uploads of the news camera’s perspective (this was captured in broadcast quality with a high frame rate) we do actually see what looks like shell casings flying and dropping to the shooter’s right, and is that blood on the floor as well?:

Shell Casing 1

Virginia shooting shell casings 1

Shell Casing 2

Virginia shooting shell casings 2

This next gif is quite hard to see because of quality issues, but if you focus on the bottom right hand corner, you can see what are quite probably specks of blood landing on the wood. Since the high quality video keeps getting taken down, go find it for yourself and you’ll see it’s definitely not pixelation, and if it’s not blood what is it?

People have also made claims that because we can see the muzzle flash on the gun the video must be fake. Their evidence for this is other gun videos with no muzzle flash. The truth is many videos of glock handguns show muzzle flash. There are so many variables here that it’s silly to write the whole thing off as fake because the shooter’s video managed to capture some flash. Lighting, camera frame rate, different generations of the gun model, different types of ammo, different types of barrel, different modifications … just look at these videos. There’s nothing odd about muzzle flash being captured from a Glock 19.

Somebody even “re-enacted” the shooting itself

The Shots …

Let’s analyse each shot. The shooter emerges from behind the cameraman, so he’s at an awkward angle to begin with, he may even be holding his own camera in his left hand, reducing his precision. Ever tried doing two things at once? Furthermore he’s wobbling all over the place and is not very good at handling the recoil.

Virginia Shooting animated gif

Each image below is exactly at the point where the bullet leaves the gun. Judging from the angles, it is therefore also quite plausible that each bullet narrowly missed her and there would be no wound to even see.

Alison Parker shot 1

Shot 1 may have passed just in front of her, though she does seem to hunch her shoulders and draw her right hand to her abdomen. Since she’s wearing red and pulls her hand there immediately, and the shooter’s own hand is obscuring the area, would we see the wound?

Alison Parker shot 2

Shot 2 also looks like it may have just passed in front of her. Those looking for blood should again realise that at this point the shooter’s hand fully obscures the trajectory of the bullet and she has already started to turn.

Alison Parker shot 3

Shot 3 is in the top right corner of the image and looks to have narrowly missed her head, though if it connected we can’t tell as she is already out of view and proceeds to make 3 steps before the shooter drops or conceals his camera.

At this point there is no more footage, we only hear the chilling screams and a further hail of gunfire.

To conclude it’s highly likely that he simply missed the first three shots, or if one or two did connect (See: possible blood from news camera’s perspective) the immediate wounds are obscured in the shooter’s video. It seems he was then able to finish the job with the rest of the shots.

We’re still waiting on the official word, but reports say both Parker and Ward suffered fatal head shots according to the Medical Examiner, while Gardner survived after surgery.

This is where Parker’s body was found. A few feet down the walkway.

where Alison Parker's dead body was found

Videos and Images Don’t Sync Up?

Another poorly thought out claim levelled by hoax theorists is that the shooter’s video does not match the news camera’s footage, and therefore there were multiple takes and it was all staged. The flaw in this claim is that they only point to one single moment where Parker nods her head in the news footage, and doesn’t seem to do the same in the shooter’s footage.

However every other moment captured on both cameras is exactly the same. The same mannerisms and gestures, the same lip movements, Parker’s shoulders flinching and right hand moving to her abdomen after the first shot, perfectly timed camera panning from Adam Ward. Everything!

Getting all of that exactly right in multiple takes would be virtually impossible. So we can logicically conclude they are both filming the same event. So what is this so called head nodding anomaly?

In truth it’s not an anomaly at all. Below I have synced the two videos. At the moment when Parker nods her head the shooter is obviously rushing forward to take his first shot. The camera is in motion, which obscures the nod, and some of her head isn’t even in the frame which further obscures the movement.

Regular Speed:

Slowed Down:

It seems whenever hoax truthers see anything that could remotely be considered an anomaly they run with it, without looking at the bigger picture and analysing it objectively.

This was further demonstrated in the comments of this article when it was suggested there must have been different film sets because the wooden boards where Alison is shot appear to run widthways in some photos, but in the videos the boards are running lengthways. In reality some of the boards run across at the start and then switch to lengthways under the roofed area. This is clear in the videos and images throughout this article, but here’s a closer look:

Hoax truthers have simply taken obscure photos where we cannot actually see in to the roofed area and then made unsupported claims.

Did The Boyfriend Tweet Before The Shooting?

Whenever these kinds of events happen somebody always seems to find at least one social media posting that was supposedly made before the incident took place, implying a conspirator jumped the gun on their “script.” This makes little sense. Why on earth would anybody carrying out a black-op be dumb enough to post a message to the world before confirmation? And why would it happen on every single occasion truthers claim a false flag took place? Perhaps it really reflects their own repeated errors in judgement?

What we’re most likely witnessing is a combination of fake screenshots and people misunderstanding how timestamps work on social media.

boyfriend Chris Hurst early Tweet

On Twitter whatever time zone you are in is reflected in the time you see under the Tweet. When I view the boyfriend Chris Hurst’s Tweet it reads 2:34pm, which is London time (GMT). Eastern Time (the time zone of Virginia) is 5 hours behind, so it was posted at 9:34am, almost 3 hours after the shooting, which took place at around 6:46am Eastern.

This doesn’t mean the Tweet was posted some 12 minutes earlier as suggested. It means whoever viewed the Tweet and took the screenshot was in a different timezone.

The West Coast (California etc) is 3 hours behind the East Coast on Pacific Time (PDT). At 9:34am ET any State on PDT would be at 6:34am.

So assuming the image isn’t just a photoshop, whoever screencapped it was simply on the other side of the country!

Was The Incident Really Live?

The shooting was broadcast live on local Roanoke, Virginia news show, WDBJ 7. This is evidenced by the 6:46am timestamp of the live feed. The station’s current graphics setup with the ticker and logos etc, always has the timestamp on the right hand side.

We see it during the broadcast and when it cuts back to studio:

Shocked WDBJ reporter live shooting

From the image of the shooter:

Flanagan aiming at Adam Ward

The day after:

WDBJ anchors day after shooting

On the online feed today:

WDBJ online streaming

And back in June:

WDBJ 7 Alison Parker Roller Derby June

The time is always on the right.

Vester Flanagan 6am time stamp hoax

Some unscrupulous truther called The Black Child has cropped an image of the shooter from a DVR recorded version of the broadcast and used the left hand side start time of the show, to claim the footage was really filmed at 6am. We know he’s being disingenuous because he doesn’t show the full screen, where we would see the live feed time on the right hand side where it’s always located.

If the conspirators were going to pre-record the shooting, wouldn’t they do it well in advance to ensure everything was perfect, not just 46 minutes before it would be shown live?

Is There A Third Video Showing A Different Sequence?

Simply put NO! A rumor has been spread around social media and forums with the claim that “I saw” or “people are saying” that there was a third video which showed Adam Ward getting shot first, proving that there were multiple takes and it was staged. The trouble is not one person can produce this video. In the age of the internet this is impossible. Somebody somewhere would have it on their computer if it really existed. So I’m going to make an offer. The first person to show me said video gets $100 straight to their Paypal. I’m waiting …

Was A BBC News Crew Scared Off By Police?

The UK Independent reports that:

Two BBC journalists who filmed the scene where the Virginia shooting suspect crashed and shot himself say they were threatened by state police.

White House reporter Tara McKelvey and video-journalist Franz Strasser were among the first on the scene where the manhunt for the alleged WDBJ gunman Vester Flanagan came to an end, after they saw “sirens blaring” on I-66 West.

But on a day when the ability of journalists to do their jobs unhindered was a particularly heightened issue, officers with Virginia State Police reportedly told the reporters to delete their footage or risk having their camera and car taken away.

Unfortunately it is not out of the ordinary for US police officers to be heavy handed over the filming of crime scenes, or even filming in general. Some of the same hoax truthers will have campaigned online about this issue many times (I’ve experienced anti-film police first hand myself in the UK). So that in and of itself is not particularly odd. Small fry cops, a sensitive crime scene, a stressful situation – some might even be sympathetic towards the police.

Of course it’s also not beyond the realm to imagine a scenario where it was the trigger happy cops who opened fire on black man Flanagan, and in an attempt not to further stoke racial tensions they kept reporters out and called it a suicide.

Obviously I have no evidence for this theory and I’m not sure whether the coroner would set the situation straight. But whatever went on, there’s not really anything to suggest there was a wider conspiracy at play, especially when considering everything else covered in this article.

Are The Father and Boyfriend Crisis Actors?

Chris Hurst crisis actor

This is when hoax truthers really begin to show themselves as horrible human beings. They will pick on anything they perceive as abnormal behaviour from the victim’s family and friends and use it to claim they are “terrible actors” and are just in on the conspiracy. “Why are they not crying” at this precise moment? “How can they smile?” or “why did the father stammer?” It really is a demented little game of nitpicking, with no logical basis.

If you have ever lost a loved one you will know that there are intermittent periods of extreme emotion. It’s not physically possible to literally be balling your eyes out 24/7. Likewise sometimes people get very numb and it doesn’t hit them for days. Humans are complex.

To accurately assess Parker’s father and boyfriend’s emotional response (which is really none of our business) we’d have to be with them the whole time. And any sane person who has seen their appearances will recognize that they do show sadness and emotion for their loss, they also show happiness when recalling happy memories as many people in mourning will do – it’s a coping mechanism. But all of this just isn’t good enough for the truthers, who are all apparently experts in body language. Perhaps what they’re really looking for is what they see in Hollywood movies. Well as much as they want this to be a movie, it’s not, it’s real life.

To demonstrate how disingenuous this concept is, I have made another image focussing on the points where Chris Hurst does show sadness.

Chris Hurst crying after shooting

This concept of “acting” is also problematic. Everybody who is tasked with being in front of a camera is acting to some degree, whether just out of stage fright, or because they’re aware of the questions that will be asked. There will always be prepping and mental rehearsing, and maybe this comes through in the footage, but that doesn’t for one minute mean they are conspirators in a hoax. Furthermore let’s not forget that Hurst also works at the same news station, so he is going to be a bit more composed and professional than others might be in the same situation.

Does Hurst come across as a bit of a narcissist with all of his media appearances? Perhaps, but narcissism isn’t a crime. And if this was some complex Government conspiracy, by now his handlers would have probably told him to quiet down a bit. In that sense his love of the cameras may be more of a sign that he isn’t a conspirator.

Andy Parker gun controlOne reason father Andy Parker might appear to be so comfortable in front of the camera, is that he actually was a small time actor for about 6 years in the late 70s early 80s. Now this may come as a massive shock to the hoax truthers, but former actors’ children can be shot dead just like any other peoples’ children.

If this was a staged event, why would they use somebody with a clear acting history that can be found with a Google search? So the truthers can discover the not so secret secret and lose their shit?

It’s not like he’s trying to hide the fact. It’s on his public profiles.

Andy Parker actor profile

The “crisis actor” concept (actors paid to stage events) is as ridiculous now as it ever was. Not one of these actors has ever been uncovered! Sure there are a lot of mentally deranged Youtube videos of truthers taking images of different people and claiming they are the same person acting in multiple events (which would be an absolutely stupid thing for the conspirators to do), but actual tangible evidence simply does not back this idea up. So Andy Parker being and actor when he was younger is simply evidence that he was an actor when he was younger. So what?

A lot has also been made about the pair calling for gun control, as if family members of shooting victims have never called for gun control before. A large portion of the country call for gun control after every high profile shooting. It’s a popular opinion right now. If it’s something they feel passionate about, why wouldn’t they push it on TV?

Was Chris Hurst Really Alison Parker’s Boyfriend

One of the sillier theories out there claims that Chris Hurst was never really Alison Parker’s boyfriend and that he was simply playing the role as part of the conspiracy. The so called evidence for this is a lack of social media images of the two together, while there seems to be many images of Parker and her ex-boyfriend on one of his accounts. Other random claims are that Hurst is a homosexual “gay boy,” is too ugly to have ever been dating Parker, and must be an actor because he still uses a physical photo album in 2015.

These ideas have mostly been pushed by an obnoxious Youtuber called Peekay22.

Sadly for some hoax truthers that’s all the “evidence” they need – a bizarre idea that quantity of public photos has any baring on somebody’s personal relationship, blatant homophobia, and an irrational suspicion of photos that have been developed the traditional way. This is the mentality we’re dealing with!

Back in the real world it’s perfectly normal for relationships to end and new ones to start. It’s also perfectly normal for some couples to be very open about their love and others not to be. It’s also perfectly normal to develop or print photos as a keepsake. My sister does it. Is she a crisis actor?

Chris Hurst and Alison Parker photo album

… Hang I thought there was a lack of photos of them together? For whatever reason the photo album doesn’t count, and neither do these:

Chris Hurst Alison Parker 1

Chris Hurst Alison Parker 2

Chris Hurst Alison Parker 3

Chris Hurst Alison Parker 4

Chris Hurst Alison Parker 5

If Hurst and Parker were never together don’t you think at least one person they know would have piped up by now? And come to think of it, if this was staged why the hell would she need somebody to play her boyfriend? Some of these illogical theories are getting laughably absurd.

The nail in the coffin is that Parker’s ex-boyfriend himself has spoken out in anger at Peekay22’s ridiculous theory. Here is a snippet of their conversation:

Daniel Wulz Alison Parker

What a hate-filled cretin he is.

Has The Truth Movement Jumped The Shark? YES!

The so called “truthers” haven’t helped themselves in recent years. In a society where most people think they’re crazy anyway, a large portion of them have collectively decided that every single terrorist attack, mass shooting, and high profile instance of politically or ideologically driven violence … isn’t real.

No deaths, the victims simply acting out their injuries as “crisis actors” (a made up profession), and the alleged culprits are being set-up to push different government/new world order/illuminati agendas. From Sandy Hook, to the Boston Bombings, to this week’s shocking footage – according to them none of it really happened.

They’ve moved away from more considered and detailed research in to black operations and traditional false flag attacks, to running around like headless chickens calling anything and everything reported by the mainstream media fake. In the process any counter-culture “truth movement” that did exist over the past decade has fallen so far off the deep end that even self professed conspiracy theorists like me want nothing to do with their insanity.

JUST STOP IT!

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  • Nibiru Son

    Good article. Just to comment more on the twitter time stamps. If you are not logged in to twitter the time is given in San Francisco time which is 3 hrs behind Virginia. Its most likely because San Francisco is where Twitter HQ is located.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Good observation, I did not know that.

    • Billy Carlin

      Very poor article – avoids the main issues such as the FAKE boyfriend and FAKE picture of the gunman taken from the dead cameramans camera when he falls when you can see by a mile that it does not in the actual footage – a FAKE placed picture in other words – plus the lack of blood at the scene where the dead cameramans body is lying after being shot in the head and by at least by half of the at least 15 shots fired and NOT one spot of blood so should be lots of blood from the head wound alone and with the gaps in the planks the blood should be below as well but not one single drop. Plus where are the shell casings lying about the deck and the police markers and the police without any gloves or covers over their shoes etc taking pictures and examining the scene etc etc etc Yes we believe all of this was real – NOT!

      • Keelan Balderson

        How is the boyfriend fake, the ex boyfriend has confirmed that he IS the ex-boyfriend and has no issue with the new boyfriend.

        The picture of the gunman is not fake. It’s in the damn video linked above, you just have to pause it and the precise moment.

        You can’t tell if there’s blood from the distance and angle of the aerial photos, and there aren’t gaps in the flooring as evidenced by the photo in this article.

        Try again.

        • Billy Carlin

          Oh Dear! How is the boyfriend fake says the guy who has removed the videos I put on here by Peekay22 who has proved that gay boy was never her boyfriend and has absolutely NO photos showing the two of them being intimate with each other on Facebook and in fact has no photos of him being intimate with anyone and he only uploaded some of the fake ones of them together 2 days after the hoax and the other guy has loads of photos of the two of them being intimate together on Facebook.

          Garbage about the gunman – the Black Child video shows the entire film of the cameraman falling to the ground in slow motion and the camera does not show one bit of the “gunman” any higher than chest hight.

          The distance these pictures are taken you would see pools of blood – you do not see one bit of blood. Where are the markers placed to show the shell casings ? Why are these police NOT wearing protective gear so as not to contaminate the crime scene. There are pictures showing the gaps in the flooring but of course not something you want to show when you are a disinfo site especially one that tries to say the likes of the Boston Bombings are real when Peekay Boston at that Youtube channel has exposed that big style and all of these crisis actors you keep claiming do not exist. You stick out a mile – huge fail!

          • Keelan Balderson

            No Peekay just scrolled through a social media account and waffled bullshit. He even said she didn’t have a leg at one point. He’s fucking nuts.

      • herb

        The human body contains between three and four gallons of blood kept under extreme pressure, so that the slightest rupture will cause a torrent of arterial red to shoot out at least six feet. Everybody knows this.

        • NotEverybodyIsOutToGetYou

          You see what I circled on the hand railing right here? Blood! I was just there Saturday and that hand railing has been replaced along with steps, and wood on the deck all of this took place on.

          • Billy Carlin

            Dear! Dear! The government paid trolls have been brought in from their trainspotting – Funny it just looks like the varnish to the rest of us – you get that effect by the Sun shining on it with the less worn bits being darker – we are not all as stupid as you you know – and yes we believe you you were there. Now just why would they replace these things and not just clean them then eh? Bullshit!

          • Bodinky100

            So true, this Keelan guy is a huge troll from years ago. Any false flag or staged terror incidents and he is always backing the official fairy tale no matter how ludicrous or implausible with fallacies and disinformation propaganda!

          • Keelan Balderson

            Good call. Will add to the article.

          • Steve

            Keelan I have watched your stuff before and thought you had done some good work but I am being honest when I say this, your inability to be open minded and sticking to some really strange points has me second guessing your intent. Nit attacking you at all just being honest. The blood on the railing did not drip there from the upper deck as you can see in the pic, it must have shot out like a fountain diagonally and landed perfectly on the railing. I would have thought you would notice that instead of believing it straight away, it just appears your grasping at anything to be right and acting close minded.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Don’t get me wrong, I still have to spend time thinking about this before I do add it to the article. It was a passing comment really.

            But nonetheless, what are you saying, that they wiped fake blood on a random railing? Every time a hoax truther makes a point they think is suspicious it actually seems to go against their argument. You don’t fake something and put blood in a weird location.

            Consider this, the other lady has discussed how she walked to the ambulance with her injuries. Could this have been her blood?

          • Chris Loyacano

            Steve – follow the gutter on the left side (left of the grounded body) and see how it goes stright down from the top deck and the angle where it hits the bottom deck. Now, following the location where the gutter hits the bottom deck over to the right using the bottom deck rail. Where the blood pool is located, it’s directly under the dead body. The angle is just deceiving…

          • Bodinky100

            Don’t feed this troll!

          • Steve

            Regarding the picture. Can you kindly explain how the blood on the railing landed there. Did it leave his body like a fountain because it miraculously did not run down the face boards of the upper deck. If that blood was from the cameraman it would have had to pool and spill over the side of the upper deck right. Or do you have a new scientific explanation for blood that jumps or leaps. Zoom in and nowhere do you see where it runs down above the spot you circled. Your weak attempts to justify this as real are starting to smell fishy.

          • borts

            Blood went through the gaps in the decking, nice try though.

          • bryon logan

            Maybe between the cracks of the planks? I dunno. That seems like a logical answer.

        • frankzzombiecock

          Yeah, I nicked myself shaving today, and now I’m going to have to repaint the bathroom and replace the floor.

          • John West

            The truth has been spoken.

      • NotEverybodyIsOutToGetYou

        They had a visitation for Adam today at a local highschool’s auditorium. It was open to the public, and he had an OPEN casket. So tell me, was it a fake dead person in that casket, or did they make him play dead for hours while people walked by and looked at him?
        Ignorant!

        • Billy Carlin

          They had an open casket at the Charleston Shooting HOAX as well – so what? They can do very good dummies these days so proves nothing and why would they have an open casket for a cameraman – I can see a church wanting to do that for their minister but a pretty unknown cameraman – don’t think so – and no picture either to prove this eh and even then that would prove NOTHING.

          • Keelan Balderson

            So what? So it wasn’t a hoax.

          • Billy Carlin

            Yes it was a hoax – Peekay22 the guy that makes you look like the idiot you are every time you open your mouth – his Boston Bombings channel trashes your Boston Bombings was real drivel – has totally exposed this hoax to have been done in two takes with different video and sound in both. Keep digging as the way you are going you will come out in Australia and be able to meet him in person soon.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Go on admit it, you ARE Peekay22, that or he’s somehow managed to create a cult.

          • Billy Carlin

            Pretty hard for me to be him when I am in Scotland and he is in Australia. I don’t do cults I only do the truth and you have been busted with his exposure of the different takes of the video and the sound being different in both the “gunman” and “cameramans” videos.

          • bryon logan

            suck Peekay22 off much?

          • Billy Carlin

            Oh my what an intelligent comment – just come in from your trainspotting then and found that yet again your brain cell cannot handle critical thinking and as a result you find you can only make silly little comments suck as the immature one you have just made here. If you had more than one brain cell you would find that a physical impossibilty from Scotland to Australia but then again the government are not going to get a very good standard of shills on the minimum wage are they? You keep whoring away against your family, friends and humanity on behalf of the Elites who have exactly the same fate in store for you as everyone else if they get away with their agenda which this FAKE shooting is a part of. Actually they will get rid of their useful idiots and patsy’s first as they normally do as they cannot have witnesses around as to what they were up to – have a nice day.

        • Rose River

          and proof please that they had an open casket

        • Bodinky100

          All conjecture and hearsay. Show us proof?

      • John West

        There should be lots of blood. Like in the movies and video game? lol. So funny to see moronic idiots act like there expert CSI investigators. I have shoot many animals in the head over the years both hunting and as a slaughterman and blood is normally extremely minimal or non existent. But hay you are an expert on how much blood should be seen from a distance in a picture. As for police markers, shell casings and no gloves. Did you ever consider all that shit had already been done when the picture was taken?

        • Billy Carlin

          Actually dickhead – there are plenty of REAL shooting victims online with blood everywhere so I do not need government paid paedophile shills come on here and call anyone moronic. The distance is not that far plus the quality of the photos taken by these people means that it can be blown up to show better detail which plenty of people have done.

          I don’t watch movies or play video games so stick that up your thick ignorant ass.

          • John West

            There are plenty of shooting victims online with no (or no visable) blood too fuckwit. Your coment “government paid paedophile shills” Is so fucking funny. See that just there, lost any credibility you are trying to bring to the table. As you dont know me from a bar of soap, you have just shown everyone how you will fabricate evidence against anyone that has a different (logical) opinion to your self. If you have a key point you would like to talk about. Then by all means lets hear it? But im guessing if you had at least one, then you wouldnt have started using childish slander and butthurt explanations of what you do and dont do. Lets see these photos? Where are they?

    • Nevet

      Billy, you are correct. There is even aerial footage of the “Forensics” Team with the Cameramans body laying in the same position supossedly 6 hours later at noon. Now they confirmed that the cameraman was shot in the head and miraculously there is not a single drop of blood. Also the Chamber of Commerce Woman who was shot in the back, her crisis actor husband says she refused the EMT aid and walked to the ambulance on her own. And last but not least, Alison Parker was an “Actress” her father was an “Actor” and the gay boyrfriend was an “Actor” videos showing all of them in various acting roles whether it be theater, TV commercials etc. The owners of the station are known Zionists, the Father immediately starts the gun control dialogue, the UN small arms treaty is underway in Mexico while its happening and the US is signing on. Maybe this UK site cant figure it out because they havent had these fake events running once a month in the UK like we have. Too easy to figure out. Now the real boyfriend pops up. So humiliating for the shadow rulers.

      • Keelan Balderson

        “Every day I’m waffling …”

        • Bodinky100

          He nailed you with the ugly truth troll and there ain’t nothing you can do. TROLL TROLL TROLL, shill shill shill fold, come and see an old fashion shill and be amazed!!!!

    • Man of Sin

      You should also watch “Virginia News Reporter Shooting: Comprehensive Proof it was Completely Staged / Fake”

      • John West

        I have watched them all. There all BS made up by conspiratards. If you would like to debate and focus on any key points you think you have. Then lets hear them? But i will warn you, i will make you look stupid.

        • Man of Sin

          You saw the witness’s statement? Because it seems that no one can explain that.

  • the dave

    These points may or may not be correct. What is correct is that most acts of public or mass violence or terror have been false flag events – confirmed by gov’t officials here and in other countries amongst much other evidence.

    It’s therefore prudent to assume that each new event is also a scripted drama meant to push an agenda – as the others were. Perhaps you can explain away numerous anomolies to yourselves – but the general story has too many holes and the fact that every piece of evidence needs extreme explanation to debunk is perhaps showing how far one must go if you feel the need to continue to trust the media.

    • John West

      Can you state a few examples of false flag events that have been confirmed by government officials?

      • the dave

        Yes I could – and so could you – The info is out there. I am no expert researcher. There are not many – only those who value honesty over bribery, so to say. They have nothing to gain and much to lose, so it’s not unusual that there aren’t many, but there are quite a few from the US as well as other western and arab countries who have spoken out in recognition. And of course, the MSM (mainstream media) which are actually the pr division of the criminal gangs in gov’t, will NEVER publicize this info – and will crap all over it with whatever propaganda and lies they have handy.

        So if you do truly seek this info for knowledge and not argument, then you will find it with a little diligence. I do not have links handy as I have read many reports but don’t keep track of them.

        It is common knowledge (not of the average inattentive citizen, of course) however that almost all – or even all – major terrorist acts have been false flags. Not because of what I say – but because of the evidence.

        • Keelan Balderson

          There’s a difference between certain officials believing a false flag happened, and “confirming” one.

        • Travis Kelldorf

          So no you can’t then.
          If information is easy to find, not providing information means it’s not out there.

        • John West

          So you cant state one single case of what you are claiming? Telling me to do my own research = You have no prof of what you are saying.

        • John West

          Because of the evidence you cant show? lol Thats some good comedy dickhead.

  • Zehuti

    Crisis actor hoax (and bad at it)…..

    • Keelan Balderson

      Crisis actors are not real, they’re a baaad conspiracy theory.

      • herb

        A person does not express emotions the same as actors playing roles, therefore they must be actors!

        And they kind of look like somebody!

        Conspiracy!

        • Joe

          As a father myself… there is no fucking way ANY father could not lose his shit over the loss of his daughter. I don’t care what man it is, if he loved his daughter, he’d have been out-of-commission for days, before he could even think about it rationally.

          • herb

            Shock and grief are astoundingly illogical. Different people process loss differently, and to state the obvious, it hasn’t happened to you. (Nor do I ever wish it to, mind)

            Suffice to say, real life rarely looks how it does in the movies.

      • Billy Carlin

        Says the guy who says the Boston Bombings are real when Peekay Boston over at his Youtube channel has totally exposed that as a HOAX and every one of them taking part as being crisis actors – you should stick to trainspotting as you are not very good being a disinfo shill.

    • Kristin Thomas

      How are the crisis actors when two of them were on Roanoke TV every day and now one of them is dead and gone? How do you explain her disappearance from TV??? Stop being an idiot. Coming from someone who lives in Virginia and lived in this area, this was no hoax or false flag, it was cold blooded murder on live TV.

      • R_of_R

        You’re the idiot. Being some local news jockey does not mean that someone doesn’t have a price – especially if they have a political agenda.

    • skullnboner

      It’s the lousy scripted scenario. Who goes and does endless interviews flapping lips after a loved one has just been killed. No one normal I know. But still, they are indeed bad actors.

  • Digital_Utopia

    Every conspiracy theory is made up of at least 4 parts.

    1) Judging reality by comparative depictions in entertainment (TV/Movies/Games)
    2) Accept eye-witness testimony as indisputable – even though the courts and police have learned how unreliable (and manipulatable) that can be.
    3) Judging people in the context of what would make sense after the fact, instead of understanding that humans don’t always make sense (especially in a crisis)
    4) Making simplified deductions of what they see, while ignoring (or being unaware of) the complexities involved, just to fit their preconceived notion that the official story doesn’t add up.

    Every single conspiracy theory – from JFK, to the moon landing, to 9/11, to any of the numerous shooting incidents (Sandy Hook seems to be a favorite of this), shares these traits.

    • Joe

      Right… and so therefore, according to your logic, hoaxes and conspiracies are… never done. People just imagine things… the government would never stage anything to sway public opinion. How does it feel to be that fucking hypnotized” Wow.

      Racial Division and Gun Control have been the nonstop message from MEDIA for the past year, it’s so obvious that the “men in charge” are focusing the issues and programming the public. Wake up fool, wake the fuck up.

      • Digital_Utopia

        Did I say that? No. I said “conspiracy theories”. In other words when people don’t care for the “official” story, and declare it fake – while twisting evidence around to fit their own opinions.

        True conspiracies and hoaxes are debunked by actual research and investigation – not to fit some predetermined result, or to prove a story wrong, but to find out the truth. That’s why not a single conspiracy/hoax has been uncovered by armchair “experts”.

        On average, more than one person is murdered by a firearm every hour (30 per day) in this country. The incidents reaching the news only represent a small fraction of the total number. If the government or the media wanted to brainwash people, all they’d have to do is report every single firearm homicide that happens. That would be more than enough to “convince” anybody who didn’t already need convincing – and could be convinced, to be against firearms.

        Even then, it’s not a…er, black and white issue. If the country was just made up of people who want to walk around like Rambo, and people who want to take all the guns and throw them into an incinerator, that would be one thing. But regardless of how many shootings happen, the opinions on how it should be handled cover a wide spectrum. Everything from simply demanding more responsibility and accountability from legal gun owners, and sellers on one end, to outright making them illegal on the other.

        On the subject of race – that would be the most backwards conspiracy ever. The gunman was black, which means that the side that’s more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, is the same group that generally wants gun control. Those who don’t want gun control would be more likely to use it as a reason for conceal/carry (which at least a couple of places did).

        Finally, it’s not like disgruntled employees shooting their former coworkers is a new thing. Hell, where do you think the term “Going Postal” came from?

  • Zarko Vukelic

    sure the shooter missed from 3 feet away suuuure and he is not wearing a plaid shirt, alright than where is his camera that he was using

    to film this event.GO back to Sleeep SHEEPLE NOTHING HERE FOR YOU LOL

    • Keelan Balderson

      I explained how it was possible to both hit her and miss her and the story be accurate, sooo what’s your point?

      Most likely in police evidence, since he managed to upload his footage.

    • herb

      If the father and fiancé were actors, wouldn’t they have cried on camera?

      • R_of_R

        They’re people with a political agenda who are play acting in a poorly executed drama (for money), just like Sandy Hook and the Boston smoke bombing and so many others. They are shit actors but acting nevertheless. Same with Charlie Hebdo where that woman who had been in Sarkozy’s administration gave interviews, the following day, claiming to be Charb’s widow. The problem is that Charb is a flaming fag and that’s widely known. He didn’t have a wife or a girlfriend, he had a gay lover. Even Charb’s family made a public statement telling her to shut up and making it clear she had no intimate relationship with him. That was such a glaring fuck up that the French government’s immediate response to being busted was to ban free speech (not that France ever had free speech before).

        We’ve been down this road in the US many times. It’s getting old and so are these intelligence agency pieces desperately trying to to do damage control. It won’t work.

        To the casual news viewer who doesn’t pay attention beyond what the news reader tells him has happened, these frauds may seem real but then Hollywood movies look real, too. Fortunately, the number of Americans who watch network and cable news is in the toilet (unless tuning in to see Donald Trump) and the rest of the population with a couple of brain cells to rub together sees these frauds for they are – hence the effort put into trying to save these events by lying asswipes like this blogger. Too fucking late!

        • Keelan Balderson

          Long winded nonsense.

          What’s with the homophobia?

          • Rose River

            sorry but since you are into ‘critical thinking’ please explain to me where the ‘homophobia’ was you deluded idiot, even gay men call themselves fags. There was no homophobia, he just stated simple facts. Are you mental or do you just pull the minority card whenever you have no answers. You utter tool.

        • herb

          When you’re done furiously masturbating to InfoWars, I’d be impressed if you could post actual evidence to support your pathetic delusions of conspiracy.

          • Rose River

            ha paid shill here on cue, lol. Easy to spot you are all given the same script.

          • herb

            I know, right? This tin foil nutters are like clockwork with their delusions of “crisis actors” and “YouTube proofs” of their “false flag operations”–

            Oh, wait: you were implying I was the shill with a script to follow.

            (Psst: this is your cue to mention how you’re removing the wool and exposing the Trilateral Bilderbergilluminati, and anyone whose third eye is open can see the truth.)

          • Billy Carlin

            Peekay22 has totally exposed this hoax to have been done in two takes over at his channel – so go suck on that treasonous shill.

      • Billy Carlin

        No because they are actors and it is not easy to cry – meanwhile when my brother committed suicide I couldn’t stop crying even after a few weeks just a thought or someone mentioning something about him caused me to cry again like every normal person and if he had been shot dead or killed by a drunk driver it would have been exactly the same and yet these fakes can go on tv straight way and on to different programmes for days and not shed one single tear and even smile and laugh most of the time – who are you people kidding?

        • herb

          When I experienced the worst form of loss, I was stony and implacable in public. Since you cried like a schoolgirl with a skinned knee, then I should believe you were pretending to express sadness.

          Or you could try growing up and realizing that people in various states of shock and grief behave differently than you.

          • Billy Carlin

            Is that right dickhead? Considering I had an accident that has left me with four squashed discs in my back with the resultant sciaitica down the one leg and now moving into the other and now affects me right up to my neck plus the fact I could not walk for months – this is all some of the worst pain you can get – I never cried once so blows your opinionated bullshit right out of the water.

            Another disinfo government shill I would say just like this site is that claims the Boston Bombings is real as well even though the guy who runs this knows that Peekay Boston has totally exposed that HOAX over at his Youtube channel and just like he has totally exposed this gay boy as NOT being her boyfriend.

          • herb

            So you’re confessing that sob story about the constant stream of tears after your brother’s death to be a necessary bit of fiction to prove your “crisis actor” conspiracy? I better get me a YouTube channel to expose this.

            I do have to question: you seem to have deep, intimate knowledge of this man’s alleged sexuality. Is there something you’re not telling us?

          • Rose River

            err where is he saying that you mental fuckwit, get some help.

          • herb

            Let me try explaining this in simple terms. Please tell me where you fail to follow.

            The conjecture: Illogical or incongruous behaviors do not prove crisis actors because grief affects people differently.

            Billy denied that based on his personal experience when his brother died; he cried constantly, therefore anybody whose actions did not mirror his are actors.

            I countered with my own experience of my child dying; I did not cry or express grief in public (because I believe in expressing privately). I posed that by Billy’s logic, anyone who did not behave as I did must be acting.

            In a blind-side non sequitur, Billy responds with an anecdote of deep pain in which he never showed his pain outwardly, because he has such mastery of his feelings.

            This contradicts his previous statement that grief can only expressed by bawling one’s eyes out 24/7. At this time I’d lost all interest in suffering fools, so I called his bullshit. Not terribly polite of me, I admit, but I have no respect for anyone who insists on a unilateral definition of normalcy when it comes to expressing something as morbid and chthonic as grief.

          • Jim jim

            You are one of those people most people wouldn’t talk to in the real world, so I’m not sure why anyone is talking to you here in the virtual world. Seriously, you’re just an annoying guy who’s trying to be an intellect, but coming across as a fool.

          • herb

            What an insightful col reading. Perfectly false, but entertaining. My turn:

            You are one of those people who drink other people’s milk straight from the carton and leaves less than a serving left. Nobody likes it when you do that. That’s how germs are spread.

          • Rose River

            wow what a nasty little kunt you are, get lost you vile little man.

          • Jim jim

            But they always behave the same way in these hoaxes. So that kind of blows that theory away. Also, a very high ratio of actors in all these fake events. What are the chances of that?

          • herb

            First, they’re not hoaxes. Repeating a lie because you cannot comprehend doesn’t make it fact.

            Second, grieving parents giving press interviews behave in a strange and stilted manner because they are trying give a cogent and cohesive interview when their world has imploded.

            Don’t you think the Shadow Government Illuminati would have the capability of hiring legitimate or convincing actors?

  • Franje

    Good article. Unfortunately it’s unlikely to change too many minds. The paradox of conspiracy theories is that the more evidence you produce against them, the more material you give to conspiracy theorists to mine for ‘anomalies.’ It also proves the adage that it takes many times more time and effort to refute bullshit than it does to produce it.

    • Billy Carlin

      Then again the brain dead cannot see the evidence because of their blinkers – Peekay22 has just busted this yet again – It was done in two takes with differences in the “gunmans” video and sound compared to the “cameramans” video and sound.

      Funny how every other shooting and Boston Bombings has been totally exposed big time as HOAXES but some people still spew their drivel about them being real – amazing what some people will do for money and people like you are expert in bullshit as you think and speak it often enough.

      • Franje

        Hey, I’m paid a decent amount of money to do this. And I get paid in Ameros too. Coming next year, get rid of your dollars now.

    • Man of Sin

      Funhygienic how this account was made around this time.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    the father and boyfriend are real life actors debunk that

  • Lee Tran

    Right at the beginning, you will see a security camera.

  • Keelan Balderson

    Crisis actors are real when they’re being actual crisis actors in drills and such.

    Prove that they have ever been used in a false flag.

    • Billy Carlin

      The Boston Bombings – on the Peekay Boston Youtube channel where he totally exposes that HOAX and every one of these people taking part as being crisis actors.

      • Keelan Balderson

        Peekay is an obnoxious Twat who wouldn’t no evidence if it hit him in the face.

        • David Paul

          Ad hominem erodes your argument.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Nope adhoms are only a logical fallacy when they are used by themselves. I’ve addressed Peekay in the article.

            And objectively HE IS an obnoxious twat.

          • qweztionz5

            “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

          • Billy Carlin

            You are getting exposed all over the net as a disinfo site now so keep up the good work – Peekay has totally exposed the Boston Bombings over at his youtube channel and since you cannot debunk any of that you resort to the usual government shill tactic of calling him names.

            Well he has totally shown you up again by exposing this HOAX to have been done in two takes – so everything you have spouted in this post has been shown to be drivel as usual. You should stick to trainspotting and leave the thinking to the Critical Thinkers.

          • John West

            You are getting exposed as a dickhead Billy, and by your self. You provide no proof of anything you claim. Some fuckwits youtube channel is your go to? Lol #Universityofyoutube

        • qweztionz5

          you mom obviously hit you in the face with her pussy flaps- you can’t see fucking reality.

    • http://ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot/ ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot

      What do they call the american version of the Official secrets Act ?

  • Keelan Balderson

    Crisis actors are real when they’re being actual crisis actors in drills and such.

    They have never been proven to be used in a false flag. I mean they’d have to be pretty morally bankrupt to do so don’t you think?

    Also check the higher quality news footage. I see shell casings

    • Billy Carlin

      Amazing you are the only one to see shell casings but you choose not to show them – are they too hard to photoshop? Where are the police markers for these shell casings as well as they should be easier to see.

      Yes crisis actors are morally bankrupt – just ask all of those ones who Peekay Boston at his Youtube channel has exposed for taking part in that HOAX – Yes he totally exposes them big style but of course when you are disinfo you do not want to know that or really look at the EVIDENCE.

      • Keelan Balderson

        They’re right in the video. You’re just not looking. I will screencap it after work.

    • Bodinky100

      Money dummy, people will do anything for money like in Boston and Sandy Hook. Crisis actors like Robbie Parker and Gene Rosen and Jeff Bauman from Boston. Sold their souls for money!!!

  • Peter

    You could be right Keelan, but the original video showed the shooter pointing the gun with an outstretched hand for quite sometime before the first shots were fired. I can agree that the 2 ladies may have ignored him if he was just standing there, but not with an outstretched hand with a gun in it!

    • Keelan Balderson

      But we see them conducting the interview. So we know they didn’t look.

      • David Paul

        Or ignored him until his cue. You’re begging the question as much as you say the conspiracists are. Seriously, you have to find it odd that he was there for 20-25 seconds with a loaded gun in his hand. Sure, she is trained to ignore distractions. What about the interviewee, who would have seen him walking, stopping, and drawing the gun?

        • Keelan Balderson

          What cue?

          I’m not “begging the question”

          We have evidence before our eyes. They DO NOT look when he has the gun out … Alison is asking a question and the other lady is listening intently, slightly angled away from the shooter.

          Sure we can say “damn, why didn’t they look.”

          But we have proof that they didn’t.

          It is what it is.

          • David Paul

            In point of fact, she does look for a half second, and then turns back and continues non-chalantly with the interview as he then steps back for several seconds his grand entry, when the news camera is finally on her. Watch the LiveLeak video around the 0:17 to 0:20 mark.

            You’re also implying that these humans have incredible tunnel vision to not be able to notice him peripherally.

            Occam’s razor says they were expecting him to be there.

          • Keelan Balderson

            I know she looks, I said that in the article and video!

            But this is just BEFORE he whacks the gun out, by which point she is asking her question. It’s pretty damn hard to look at something else and register what it is, WHILE asking a question.

            Try it. You end up slowing down your words and stumbling.

          • David Paul

            And she saw a fired employee with a history of confrontation at her remote shoot at 6:45 a.m. and thought “gee, that’s kind of nuts, now, back to this hard hitting piece before I lose focus”.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Well it’s apparent she made the wrong decision. I won’t hold it against her.

          • Rose River

            oh yeah great explaination, just cant answer the question can you mate

  • David Paul

    A 9-mm handgun is not the most powerful, that is true, but he was using hollow point bullets. He either missed or grazed her with those initial shots. If he made a direct hit, there would have been a large exit wound.

    • eyekonoklast

      Hollow-point are designed to mushroom; it’s possible they wouldn’t leave an exit wound, especially if they penetrated a dense part of the body, like the torso. Though in this case, with a 9 mm and at close range, with a small-bodied victim, it’s very likely they would have. Either way, she wouldn’t be sprinting away as if unfazed.

      • Keelan Balderson

        To be fair we only see her run 3 steps before the video ends, she could have collapsed straight after.

        There’s plenty of videos of shooting victims running and then dropping some feet away.

        • David Paul

          A person that small hit with a hollow point at that range? I can buy that he missed in the heat of the moment. He wasn’t a trained shooter after all.

          If that is the case, did he or the media elide the kill shots in the video? And when were they fired? He menaces over the cameraman after the camera hits the ground, providing her ample time to get away.

          • Keelan Balderson

            It’s not actually confirmed that he used hollow points … When he posted about hollow points he was talking bollocks about the Charleston shooter.

            Nonetheless it’s literally less than 2 seconds before she turns around, the shooter’s hand obscures a lot of her body, and she brings her own hand to her abdomen, where a bullet may have connected.

            It’s not a given that we would see blood.

        • http://ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot/ ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot

          You say later that she almost made it to the door.
          Keep your story straight.

          • Keelan Balderson

            It’s not that long of a walkway.

      • David Paul

        Exactly. A debunker’s best bet here is to say he missed, which is plausible. If she was hit flush with a hollow point, it would have rendered her incapable of running like that.

  • Ganja_buds

    Looking good buddy, looking real good

  • Daniel Wulz

    Thank you for this. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
    Thank you.

    • http://ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot/ ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot

      Is it True Chris Hurst is Gay ?

      • Daniel Wulz

        No. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

        • http://ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot/ ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot

          Thanks.
          Have you seen “We need to talk about Sandy Hook” ?

        • Rose River

          he is as gay as a gay pride march, inside a gay disco in san fransico

        • Rose River

          really no-one but a paid agent would ever claim that effeminate, campy guy was straight, much less suggest that it is ridiculous to suggest that such gay acting man is indeed gay.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Camp does not mean gay, you fucking Neanderthal.

        • Billy Carlin

          No ordinary guy would say boyfriend when they meant to say girlfriend on more than one occasion as well – and I agree you are really outing yourself as being heavily involved in this hoax mr “gunman” cameraman.

          As I have said before all of the useful idiots taking part in these fake hoax events will end up accidently dying etc when they have outlived their usefulness as the Elites cannot have witnesses around to expose them – that is what they usually do with their patsies and you all deserve what you get.

    • wayne tell’em

      Sorry for your loss. I used to work with Alison and Adam and this hoax theory is maddening to me.

      • Rose River

        maybe you did but that does not mean they are who you think they are, both of them had only worked there for 2 years. I am afraid the people who set these hoaxes up plant their actors and agents well inadvance, even years.

        • wayne tell’em

          Crisis troll.

          • Billy Carlin

            only problem is Peekay22 has exposed this fake hoax to have been done in two takes – and this disinfo site removes comments and videos that prove this as being a hoax but the word is going around big style that this is a disinfo site so shooting yourselves in the foot as usual – like the crook Hilary Clinton says you are losing the info war – then again what did they expect hiring so many thickos to tryand debunk the obvious.

          • wayne tell’em

            Wrong.

    • mome23kjnc

      so very sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine having to defend yourself, her, her family, and her current bf this way. It is horrific. And a bit of a lesson in keeping ones information more private. I should take your lead there. My prayers for all of you.

    • qweztionz5

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  • Ganja_buds

    This kunt face will see what ever the fuck he wants to see

  • John Redman

    False flags are so bad they have to have entire teams work to sell them to the public afterwards as reality. I’m not saying people didn’t die, the government will kill who they need dead when they need them dead, but I am saying that if this was real they would deal with their losses and move on. Working this hard to make this faked tragedy be something the public can swallow is merely validating the desperation in having their gun control attempts accepted. Sheep believe what they want from televised bits. I already know what the government and those who work for it are willing to do to reach any agenda of theirs. But yea, boo hoo, someone got shot in America… Meanwhile actual innocents, children, are dying every day and night for lack of basic necessities which could be provided them by the same people who are working so very hard to kill and or control everyone. Same government which lies/lied about cannabis to the world has patents on it as a cure to cancer… Wake up or shut up.

  • Thomas Cleveland

    “What’s seemingly tragic about the footage from the shooter’s perspective
    is that there does seem to be a split second that Parker notices him,
    but this is before he pulls out the gun”……..wrong…He had the gun out and pointed it at them way before he shot.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Nope …

      • Travis Kelldorf

        I hate having to watch the video this many times, but I can’t find a point at which A) the gun is up and B) Parker is looking at the shooter. He does raise the gun once, looks at Adam (who is pointing the camera away from Parker), puts the gun down, and brings it back up when Adam is focusing back on Parker and the other woman.

        • Keelan Balderson

          Agreed, yes, this is my point.

          She looks, she goes back to the interview, he pulls the gun, then steps backwards before redrawing it and shooting.

          Like you say, she does not seem to look at any point while the gun is out.

  • jghf798

    why would you write article like that?
    unless you’re paid to do it…
    dis-info.
    it does not matter if it was real or not, another psy-op to grab guns

  • Aaron Lane

    I will have to call you out on one thing.

    There’s No Blood, How Did She Run?

    Point fact – I have been shot – you will react to the bullets trajectory whether you like it or not. Also if the wound is a through and through blood will infact go out the exit wound.
    Again, there would also be obvious tearing and reaction from her clothing.

    Also
    Reporters were being turned away left and right; not just the two from BBC but also RT and white house journalists were denied coverage.

    Not saying it is a Hoax, but there are a few inconsistencies.

  • leevitowt

    JOAX

  • frankzzombiecock

    Sadly, we’ve been lied to all our lives by the government and the media, and now people mistake skepticism and cynicism for intelligence. Everything becomes a hoax or false flag to those thinking they are smarter than everyone else…it’s the Dunning-Kruger effect at work.

    • qweztionz5

      it’s the we can tell bullshit from reality effect at work, fella.

  • Joy Lynskey

    Yikes. The disconnect, as usual, on these Jones junkies, is astounding. This article isn’t too bad but there’s a lot of things that could have been easily explained if you actually watched the local news. This shooting happened in my neighborhood. I’m certainly not receiving a hoax check. As a matter of fact, the thought that you could talk a bunch of hillbillies into keeping some kind of secret also makes your sad attempts fairly fucking humorous.

    Something the average person wouldn’t know, that many in our neighborhood do know is that Flanagan had donned a wetsuit stolen from a nearby shop, the police assume because he knew or could see that there were several businesses with cameras on the pierwalk they were on. You wouldn’t know this because they won’t release that information to the public, but the reason WE know it, is because about 90% of the people around here sit around listening to scanners all day. We know the business owners who were woke up and asked to let the police check their cameras for evidence or shots of his car before the chase began. And yes, believe it or not, some old af people are up watching the morning news that early. This is a resort area. Right behind Bridgewater marina where this pierwalk was is an apartment building housing several hundred people. In the wintertime, it’s virtually empty. Good choice on those psy ops thinkers. They literally picked the only place populated more than 10 people per mile in the whole gd county. The lake is covered in tons of backwoods places or public settings this interview could have been conducted in where no one would have been able to see it or even get to it easily. They picked the one place you can see driving by on a very public highway. Has anyone even looked at a fucking map? jfc…

    Aside from hearing it on the scanners, you can see very fucking clearly if you’re a person who lives on or around an ocean or large body of water – LIKE THIS LAKE – what a wetsuit looks like and in various states. Flanagan had a wetsuit on but it wasn’t zipped up. Not only can you see the unusual sag of an unzipped wetsuit in the sideshot taken from Wards camera when he died, but you can actually see the gd zipper hanging down between his legs.

    It’s astounding that so many people who fancy themselves critical thinkers and not one person recognizes this? Some of you mfrs have probably sat with this thing zoomed and didn’t see it. That’s really hilarious. I guess even if you live by the ocean you’d have to shut down your expert research on YouTube and go the fuck outside to recognize one.

    So one of you go run your ass to a shop that sells wetsuits, put one on, unzipped, grab a picture, zip it up, grab another. So Flanagans wetsuit, unzipped entirely and completely explains why in the self shot video you can see what appears to be a ‘different’ shirt. It’s not a different shirt. Its HIS shirt that he arrived in sticking out from inside the sleeve of an unzipped wetsuit. I guess once he was up there creeping the fuck around he realized his ultimate plan might be damaged by wearing a bright ass blue plaid shirt. FFS. You really think ‘government agents planning ‘psy-ops’ for months would make such ignorant fuck mistakes when a functioning brain with some actual knowledge of the situation can figure it out in ten seconds?

    No point in addressing the bullshit gun grab claims. No one’s had their guns grabbed and if a bunch of little kids being slaughtered didn’t cause that why the fuck would a couple unknown reporters spark off a sudden rush?

    Jesus christ I hope none of you are ever tasked with attempting to critically think your way out of something as complex as a wet paper bag.

    • Steve

      This was a joke right. Do you think the hillbillies would have been contacted about the fake shooting. Talk about lack of critical thinking. The more hillbillies that go around talking about it as if it were real is what they want. Geeeeesh

    • http://about.me/scout_paget Scout Paget

      Ah, I just want to say that if the guy in the vid still is wearing a wetsuit it’s the loosest fitting wetsuit that I’ve ever seen. Not really relevant to anything but I thought I’d comment on it. (heh)

    • Billy Carlin

      Dear! Dear! Go to the Peekay22 youtube channel as he has busted this as being done in
      two takes – Virginia Shooting 100% HOAX – CASE CLOSED.

      I have already posted the link to the video on here but this guy will block it as usual. But you sound like the usual government paid shill or are just not very bright coming out with your crap when this has been totally exposed as being fake. I wonder who the other guy is that is there at the end of the passage where the superwoman reporter “hit” loads of times with hollowpoint bullets runs up to – they are being totally silent on this guy – why is he not splattered all over the news as a witness like they usually do but instead they would rather have gay boy pretending she was his girlfreind only he cannot get that right and keeps saying his boyfriend. Fake as and only thick zombies think otherwise.

  • rushmoon

    Look VERY closely folks, there are NO spent shells coming out of that gun period…. THAT alone tell me this is FAKE

    • Putin on the Ritz

      Guns that fire blanks eject shells though…

      • william rose

        that what makes it even harder to explain.. but, no shells no bullet

        • Putin on the Ritz

          Not sure what you mean…blanks are just like regular bullets but they’re packed with wax and have less gunpowder. They work the same though.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Yes there are.

  • Steve

    Just my 2 cents. Rent a crowds are real and crisis actors are real. Good post

  • Steve

    Watch SCRIPT Top 10 faked media events…… Then come back and say the govt and media do not run false flags. This video only shows events where the govt or media have admitted to the staged media events. I saw this video on here yesterday but it looks like it was removed. Very good video

  • Timothy Russell

    Pretty funny that her father is an actor ? In les miserables When the boyfriend responded back he names himself before his dead “girlfriend” . I dont know about you but when im talking about others with myself in subject i/you always put yourself last unless you’re some type of narcissistic douche? Bodies weren’t even cold yet and all sudden whitehouse comes out with GUN CONTROL GUN CONTROL !! Just like the video of the “sandy Hook” parents stabnding back stage laughing and carrying on like its a normal day and then when its their turn to go up and speak, their whole demeanor changes and the real acting starts, tears crying GUNS GUNS GUNS NO NO NO NO !
    B.S .B.S. B.S. B.S.!
    The latest discovery is that Alison Parker’s alleged fiancé Chris
    Hurst, who has only eight social media photos of him with Alison, is
    probably just her “TV” boyfriend. A guy named Daniel Wulz has been outed
    by facial recognition as her real-world boyfriend.

    Some of the media’s photos of Alison are taken directly from Wulz’s Facebook account, which is now curiously unavailable.

    Not surprisingly, Daniel Wulz, is also filmmaker. His YouTube channel
    described as “The combined efforts of our work featuring Independent
    Films, Concert Videos and Film trailers.”

    A video posted to his YouTube channel has the description “Something I made when I was still learning film. Kinda crappy but whatever.” Video below:

    Wulz posted a creepy new video to his YouTube channel today after a
    7-month break, a shirtless rendition of a song “For Alison.” When will
    the media interview this guy who was so clearly a huge part of her life?

    Many have already pointed out the acting background of the supposed
    father of the victim Alison Parker, Andy Parker. Perhaps it’s a
    coincidence that his background readied him for TV everyday since and
    including the day his daughter was allegedly murdered.

    From the description to a recent Dutchsinse
    video: “While playing the banker, Andy Parker is also simultaneously
    doing Broadway plays and TV commercials reaching back multiple years. To
    top it off, he’s also a former politician ! He’s real “jack of all
    trades” it would seem. Pictures of Andy Parker’s latest performance as
    the lead star in Les Miserables! See screenshots from his 2013 performances here.”

    All of these alleged mass shootings are immediately capitalized on by
    fake family members to call for more gun control. The media and the
    lawmakers are either completely in on the fraud or they’re being played
    like fools. When will they wake up?

    • Keelan Balderson

      So because they work in TV and media, that’s suspicious?

      You haven’t made a single point here.

    • Steve Fox

      Tears? You have a video of anyone from sandy hook with tears? Please share lol.

  • comeonpeople

    Why on earth would anybody carrying out a black-op be dumb enough to post a message to the world before confirmatio

    UMMM BBC and WTC 7 anyone?? Anyone??

  • Putin on the Ritz

    If this event was real, why does it take all this “debunking”… there are many news stories that don’t strike me as bs, but this one seems very strange and fake. Gene Rosen from Sandy Hook was also an actor. Wag the dog is all I have to say about this

    • wayne tell’em

      Crazed gun nuts like you. That’s why. Kinda reminds me of Bryce.

      • william rose

        your the nut buddy..

        • wayne tell’em

          My the nut buddy..? Got him again!

        • wayne tell’em

          *You’re, you silly nut.

  • tyler wiest

    Watch the shooting in slow motion. There are NO casings coming out of the gun. Physically impossible for a slide action semi automatic pistol to shoot multiple times without spent casings leaving the gun

    • william rose

      that’s right my brother.. we got these asshole all day

      • wayne tell’em

        asshole all day bro!

    • Chris Loyacano

      Inocrrect. Go ahead and view the clip again. When the tv camera falls to the ground, it turns backward to face towards the shooter. Right as the camera turns around to face the opposite direction, you can see a casing flying thorugh the air.

      • tyler wiest

        So, did he have two guns? One fake to scare, one real to kill?

        • Keelan Balderson

          Well there were reports of two guns, BUT no, the shooter’s clip is just not at the right angle to see the casings. But the news camera picks at least 2 up.

          • Bodinky100

            Why are you all over the net always backing up the official stories or false flag fairy tales these elite liars are desperately trying to sell to the sheep? Is the pay good, did they promise you something? I have seen you years ago on the net using this same old propaganda disinformation tactics on Boston, Sandy Hook and on 911. Nobody with any real intelligence is going to be dumb enough to believe any of your fallacies. Give it up and pack it in, people are sick of lies, just sick!

          • herb

            Why are folks like you all over every tragedy claiming it’s all part of a massive conspiracy, posting horsehair about false flag operations and crisis actors? Is it because you can’t imagine living in a world where chaos occurs, that everything must be part of some greater machination?

          • John West

            The Butthurt of a conspiratard. Seriously dude, If you got something to prove someone wrong. Then bring it to the fucking table mate. Just having a cry and making stupid claims with nothing to back them up, just makes you look like a dick.

      • cindy

        Someone did a side by side comparison video of a real Glock 19 and the fake Glock 19 Flanagan used in real time and slowed down 8xs. The real Glock 19 showed shell casings being ejected, a report to the gun, and no fire coming out of the nozzle. The fake gun Flanagan used showed no shell casings, no report and fire coming out of the nozzle. That’s all it took for me to realize that this was phony as heck. Btw, they removed the video from the internet very quickly. Who is covering this up?

    • John West

      So you understand nothing about frame rates when taking video. Also the video was in the shade, making it harder to see the casings being ejected. But as Chris explained there was one i managed to spot from the News mans camera.

  • Kat Thompson

    Your argument about the tweet and time zones is completely invalid. You say time zones are hrs apart, not minutes. Name one time zone where the tweet would have been posted 5-10 minutes earlier than the actual shooting.

    • Steven

      Some places use quarter/hour offsets when it comes to time zones (Nepal, Chatham Island in New Zealand, western Australia Eyre Highway towns: Eucla, Caiguna, Madura, Mundrabilla , and Border Village in southern Australia)

      Example: Wednesday 7:12am in Newark, New Jersey, USA (adjusted for DST summer), and Wednesday 11:57PM in Chatham Island, New Zealand.

      Unrelated to the topic at hand, but just figured I would point that out considering not all time zones are just based on hours apart.

    • What?

      Wait, what? Think about what you’re saying…

      Your argument is that the tweet was posted 5-10 minutes earlier than the shooting, and that this can’t be right because time zones are in hours. So you’re saying that it would have been legit if he had tweeted at the exact moment of the shooting?

      Please tell me you’re not that stupid.

    • herb

      The tweet didn’t post earlier than the event; it posted almost three hours later, but was viewed three time zones away.

      If someone on EST tweets at 9:30, someone on the West Coast sees a tweet time stamped 6:30.

  • Molly

    This isn’t debunking. This snotty sounding official story perpetrator is full of lame “explanations” and has no idea what he is talking about. What a tool.

    • Chris Loyacano

      you have mental issues because there are no facts at all pointing to this being a hoax, just coincidenes and opinions.

  • Pedro Jose Jorge

    What a load of crap! Seriously dude this is so lame it isn’t even worth a rebuttal.

  • wayne tell’em

    Thanks for this. I used to work at WDBJ and I’m no crisis actor.

    • Rose River

      ya sure you did

      • wayne tell’em

        I will kill that dog.

        • william rose

          did you just say you will kill his dog.. you must work for the government

          • Billy Carlin

            He does work for the government and this is a disinfo site as well. Go to the Peekay22 youtube channel as he has busted this as being done in two takes – Virginia Shooting 100% HOAX – CASE CLOSED.

            I have already posted the link to the video on here but this guy will block it as usual.

    • william rose

      sure you did. you are just not in on it.. you fake

      • wayne tell’em

        Don’t be a faggot

      • wayne tell’em

        So I didn’t work there? AND I’m not “in on it”? How does that happen?

  • Rose River

    a few points i would agree with you with, such as colour of shooters hand, but there is much you have glossed over because you could not fit it into your own theories. Your ego is bigger than your critical thinking i fear, you just think you and only you are right so anything that does not fit with your agenda you ignore. As you can see you really not convincing anyone.

    • David Loewen

      “…there is much you have glossed over because you could not fit it into your own theories.”
      Such as?

  • william rose

    none of this can tell us why no casings came out of the gun.. a bullshit hoax is what this was..i own that same gun and let me tell you when I shoot it spent shells come out the side all day… bye bye we got ya

    • wayne tell’em

      You own a gun? Well there’s your problem!

      • william rose

        you got me with that… no casings came out of that gun its over buddy

        • william rose

          and you and I both know it.. watch the video at 8 times speed.. no shells at all. and my gun does not light up like a tree in the daytime.. we got ya man.. it is a fake

          • wayne tell’em

            When’s Obozo takin yer guns then?

          • DefianceGal .

            when he can get the people to agree to complete gun control. they have been trying this off and on for quite sometime.

          • wayne tell’em

            Need a specific date. Until then, YOU are the hoax.

          • DefianceGal .

            wow you are rude. did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

          • wayne tell’em

            Just asking when Obozo plans to take all the guns away. Who knew gun nuts were so sensitive?

          • DefianceGal .

            I never said he was..he is just a puppet trying to set everything in motion just like the last 9 presidents before Obummer. Assigned to different tasks to get people to accept NWO. Guns is Obummer’s task. he is failing miserably..surprised they haven’t shot him yet for being so incompetent.

          • wayne tell’em

            So why are your panties in such a bunch?? You sound like a Hillary fan.

          • DefianceGal .

            Killary? That cunt? lol hell no..I thought you were haha

          • DefianceGal .

            They have to use crisis actors cause he sucks haha

          • wayne tell’em

            Wow. So rude. You must’ve woken up on the wrong side of a penis.

          • DefianceGal .

            nah you woke up on the wrong side of a penis in the butt.

          • wayne tell’em

            No. You did.

          • DefianceGal .

            nope..you did lol

        • wayne tell’em

          Got you good! Mmmmmm.

      • Ancient Veritas

        “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”-Benjamin Franklin

        • wayne tell’em

          He died 200+ years ago. Irrelevant. Live in the now, clown.

      • UglyGirl Hunter

        If you don’t own a gun, you will have a problem in time.

        • wayne tell’em

          Won’t Obozo just take it away? What a waste!

    • Chris Loyacano

      You can see what looks like a casing after the news channel camera drops to the ground and faces the shooter. One falls to the ground right when the camera turns backwards.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Errrr I’ve edited the article. There ARE shell casings.

      • Bodinky100

        You are a mega troll and are paid to propagandise for these sick elites who create and orchestrate these false flags. I’ve seen your disinFo garbage on 911, man how tragic and detached from reality can you be. Paid to lie, I guess it pays well huh shill?

  • Dave Edge

    What about the father being an actual actor? And another actor who plays the exact part he does in Los Miserables just died by falling down a fire escape. The death made national news oddly enough. ..Ironic to say the least

    • Keelan Balderson

      So what? Can’t former b list actors kids get shot?

      • TYPE O NEGATIVE

        And Sandy Hook? The mother was on a PBS kid’s show. The father was also an actor.

        Ask, the countless waiters in L.A. how easy it is to get on tv.

        Funny how the ‘big” shootings just happen to have famous parents

  • MammalSauce

    I would like to point out… in the narrators last few minutes of commentary, he mentions ‘if the government wanted to take the guns, they would take the guns….. but they won’t because it would cause a civil war.’

    The truth is, if the government was planning to take guns. They would cloak their power grasp thru legislation….and make it so many pages that you would need a team of lawyers to decode it. You need only look as far as their recent Healthcare TakeOver passed under the disguise as Healthcare Reform. Once you investigate the actual Affordable Care Act, you will see it is nothing but an attack on citizen’s right to choose private healthcare outcomes and run private insurance business out of that industry. Its true intent is to setup a timeline to slowly take over citizens healthcare outcomes and inject government in between Patient and Healthcare Provider. Not that there wasn’t a need for TRUE healthcare regulation reform, but that was not the real intention of the Affordable Care Act…It was a power grab and takeover. It’s just not a Hostile take over, its a slow one which won’t cause immediate attention to the masses.

    In other words, use the system against itself.

  • John Smith

    Do not focus on this at all smoke and mirrors the trade deals are more important than anything right now please before its to late tpp tisa do you want to live in a corpratocacy

  • Lindsey

    THANK YOU for taking the time to make this. ME and the people in this town are disgusted with these paranoid conspiracy theorist assholes trying to tear this thing apart and create something out of nothing. not only that, picking these victims and their mourning families lives , emotions, and reactions apart. these people are gone! members of my community! luckily we have a survivor. but none of these pricks have anything to say about her. wonder why?…..and u bitch about the media but it seems like most of you spend your days and nights studying it. hope you’re getting paid.
    ALL I can say to all the ignorant disrespectful pieces of shit participating in any of this hoax BS is this:
    I HOPE that if any of you ever happen to have a loved one murdered, that you get 10 times the treatment and disrespect that you’ve shown these poor souls. you animals need to know what that feels like. get a life losers.

    • Bodinky100

      Somebody sell this guy a bridge!

    • Joe

      Oh really Lindsey? Let me explain something to you, if I’m ever on camera because my wife or daughter has just been murdered, expect to see me broken. Expect me to have no words, to be drenched of face with heart stabbing tears. Don’t expect it too much though, because I wouldn’t be talking to anyone for months.

      If this really happened… I’m sorry, but the Dad and Boyfriend need serious mental help for being sociopaths and pitching their agendas and laughs on camera the same day and day after. That’s fucking disgusting.

  • Alistair Caine

    You’re joking, right? You wrote this as a satire piece? If not… What kind of rubbish is this? If you buy this shooting story then the only thing that’s wide shut are your eyes!!!!

  • geononeya

    you wanted proof of crisis actors used in gun grab false flag fake government propaganda

    • Keelan Balderson

      Nope, not the same people at all.

      • DefianceGal .

        blind :P

  • geononeya

    move along there’s nothing to see here
    do as you’re told
    believe all we say
    these are not the same actors um I mean “victims”
    and I live right down the road from where this “shooting” fake took place
    oddly enough, there was a drill on the other side of the complex that very same morning at 6 am just as the camera says the “shooter” was caught on the tv camera.
    oh but wait, I went to school with somebody in this story and did not go to the funeral or see their dead body so this HAD to be real
    HOAX

    • Keelan Balderson

      This is called mental illness. They just aren’t the same people at all!

      • http://ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot/ ouspenskyfallexo.blogspot

        98% similarity on a Face Recognition programme.

        • Keelan Balderson

          What programme? I can tell with my eyes they’re different people.

          They’re about a similar as that bird from the Big Bang:

          • CJ

            Good point…what programme? Blossom does look like those women.

  • qweztionz5

    Can’t wait for this site to explain to us yokels that there was no conspiracy to kill Julius Caesar (he died of a bad papercut), no Gunpowder Plot ( it was all a marketing ploy to sell fireworks) and no Beerhall Putsch ( a bunch of old soldiers just got rowdy on a few steins and caused a ruckus).

    Yes, there has never been a single conspiracy in history. No politician has ever told a lie. The common folk are too simpleminded to understand anything. People who ‘debunk’ something are the absolute epitome of truth and should never be questioned in the slightest degree. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

  • Hmmmmm

    I don’t know if it’s a hoax or not. The dad and “boyfriend” act odd. I noticed this in real time watching the fox news interview. The boyfriend was just not showing any grief. One question, when the first initial shot takes place, you see the cameraman to the right of the gun, which seems to be basically in his ear. He doesn’t flinch at all. Weird.

    • Joe

      “you see the cameraman to the right of the gun, which seems to be basically in his ear. He doesn’t flinch at all. Weird.”

      Weird indeed.. Glad someone else caught that.

  • Hmmmmm

    And one more thing, that image of the “killer” at the end where the camera falls perfectly to capture his image is so “found footage” Hollywood. I just want to know, how do they hide the two “victims” if they are still alive? How do they fool the police, crime investigators? These people surely aren’t “gun control” lobbyists and would sniff out a hoax I’m sure.

  • DjGroove

    So what about the fact that in the news feed she is noding just before the first shot and in the pov video she is not? Or the fact that a real investigation hasn’t been done? Or the fact that some of the pics of her came from an account from a man named Daniel Wulz(presumed) her real boyfriend), besides the few of her and her “news boyfriend” and that Daniels acct is now blocked. Or the fact that the dad is an actor and a politician. And that the camera mans dad was involved in sandy hook? Answer these questions and the fact that not one of them seemed truly upset on TV or that with in just two hours the dads face wasn’t red and swollen from crying, don’t give me the people greave in diff ways crap either, we have seen that too many times in the past hoaxes, fake acted crying with not a single tear or red eye. I may reconsider reevaluating this hoax if that can be answered.

  • DjGroove

    Also every one is quick to blame the gun and not the person behind the gun, it’s not like the trigger can pull itself. Or the fact that every one of these so called shootings have a common theme, All the shooters were on antipsychotic medications! Oh wait that won’t play into the governments hand because big pharmacy would loose money. And also why does every shooter wind up dead? Dead men tell no tales. I’m not saying that no one has ever been killed in these shootings but this one takes the cake for inconsistencies.

  • Doug Maguire

    Nice try…

    • Chris Loyacano

      Hope you’re posting this in favor of it not being a hoax…since the hoax people would claim that Chris Hurst is trying to get RID of guns. Not advocate them.

      • Doug Maguire

        I’m posting it just because. Ain’t it great that this was uploaded to Twitter 2 months after Sandy Hook & 2 months before Boston Marathon 2013?

        Yeah, it is.

        Get down with the boogie…

  • Tucker Joseph Mullens

    You forgot about the muzzle flash “mate”. When that same firearm is shot with a real cartridge, there is little to zero muzzle flash and you can clearly see the casing eject. I also know that it is not a case of the frame rate being to slow because it is quick enough to capture the muzzle flash… which happens many times faster than the speed the casing is being ejected out of the gun.

    I have taken many shooting videos with a phone and you can clearly see the bullet eject every time and only see a tiny bit of muzzle flash unless it is near dark. Being from the UK, you likely have never fired a gun so you probably wouldn’t know that. I am from Texas; we fire guns before we’re even able walk. Leave the gun details to the people who actually shoot and understand them and you can handle the other stuff.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Re-read the article. This has now been addressed. Muzzle flash is available in looooaaads of videos online.

      • Rick Vincent

        Plenty of videos showing shell casings ejected too.

  • Keelan Balderson

    Wise comment … updated the article today with some similar points.

  • Keelan Balderson

    BS she reacts right away by hunching her shoulders and bringing her hand to her stomach.

  • TYPE O NEGATIVE

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but this one was bullshit from the start.

    It’s funny how so few people in this country are professional actors, yet a few of the major shootings just happen to have parents who are actors? On the east coast? If this was L.A., that would be one thing. But Massachusetts and Virgina?

    The boyfriend tweeting so close to it happening. I know when one of my relatives are rushed to the hospital, I’m not online tweeting out info. Why’d they keep it such a secret, but the minute something happens, he’s blabbing away to strangers about their “white hot love” WTF?

    No one is asking them to “ball their eyes out”, but when you’re on tv doing interviews while you daughter is not even buried, there’s something wrong with you.

    Also, where is that image of the shooter from if there are only 2 videos?

    Are they dead, who knows? But the people involved are either actors or freaks.

    I didn’t need anyone on YouTube or twitter to point this stuff out.Common sense should make you question things that don’t make sense.

    • Ancient Veritas

      Also where is the blood?You would think that they would take photos of the blood as evidence of the murder just like any other shooting that has ever been investigated.

      • Keelan Balderson

        Do they show such photos to the public?

        • CJ

          This is a good point, are these photos usually released to the public? Ancient Veritas- are you saying they should be? Would that get you to stop doubting?

    • Keelan Balderson

      The image is a screencap of the news footage.

  • Asteriskdollarsign

    If I was the evil NWO government I would setup a sniper in a building overlooking the today show and when the pretty host is talking blow her brains out on live TV. The actual shooter is a government contractor and just disappears, you leave a dead body of a guy next to the gun and invent a story about him being a nut or a stalker and all the reactions from people would be 100% genuine. Also the added bonus is you wouldn’t nee to do a thing to get it all over the news.
    This would involve very few people and further their goals to make everyone hate guns and give them up.
    Why would they invent a story, hide people forever, involve actors and fend off BBC reporters that could break the whole story?
    Am I just so much more evil than the bad guys because if I was the big boss I wouldn’t let killing Savannah Guthrie stop me from taking shit over? Why fake shit when doing it for real is so much easier?

  • Ryan Martian

    this is a great article. i am sharing it with all of my “truther” friends. i hate to nit-pick, but there are a few minor grammar errors that should be corrected. it will just make your article and point that much more powerful. i know it’s a small complaint, but i think fixing them would help.

  • Joe

    You got it right. Let’s not forget the camera man, havin ZERO reaction, while a Glock is being fired right next to his ear…

  • bryon logan

    Aren’t Obituaries public records? Can’t we just end the discussion with the obituary?

    • herb

      The problem with conspiracy theories is that they evidence with circular logic.

      Any attempt to disprove a conspiracy (as witnessed here) only becomes more proof that the conspiracy exists. Obituaries? Planted. Video evidence of an autopsy on the victims? Staged. Exhuming the bodies and laying them out on the kitchen table for people to examine and poke and prod themselves? An elaborate staging using lookalike corpses.

  • http://CommonSenseUnderground.com/ TheBParsons

    Holy shit, common sense to the rescue again. Excellent work, sir! You pretty much covered all the bases in a calm and deliberate manner.

  • John Carr

    OK, one thing you didn’t debunk. The existence of a head nod in high quality video, and the movements of the older lades hands (both left and right hand move in same motion), and the lack of a head shake in the shooters video, and the old lady’s hands move in opposite directions. This shows that the shooters video was a different take, and that the other video is another take, another enactment of the shooting. Dude, this is effin faked. Its clear as day when you notice head shakes and hand movements. They are NOT the same in both videos when they should be.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Addressed this in a new update. Check the article again.

      The head nod isn’t seen because it’s out of frame and the shooter is rushing forward.

  • karaool .

    Real or fake? Not enough evidence to tell beyond a reasonable doubt. WideShutUK has obviously made his mind up, so he is biased, no longer an objective analyst of the facts we do have. And the fact is, there is such a dearth of evidence that all we are left with is making assumptions and speculating. Were the first few shots hits or misses? If they were all misses, then the killer must have finished the reporter off later, after she collapsed on the deck–from sheer fright? Doesn’t seem likely. So, at least one of the initial shots must have hit her. Do we see any evidence of that? A hunching of the shoulders and raising her hand toward her abdomen before taking flight? Hm. But no visible blood, which, being bright red, should have shown up pretty well against her black sweater–or not? Certainly, hollow points were not used, as the father alleges in a video interview. So the bullets must have lodged in her body with no exit wounds, and she was able to cover at least 24 ft before collapsing and ultimately dying on the spot? Hm. Any “objective”, unbiased and credible analysts out there with the missing conclusive evidence? None here, as of yet.

    • Nick Sousa

      Fresh blood does not show up bright red on black clothing. it barely shows at all. This is real life not a movie or video game. I’ve seen people get shot first hand. There is no splatter of blood unless there is an exit wound and blood doesn’t immediately pour from the wound. It’s very unlikely for someone to immediately collapse from a shot in the abdomen with a low power handgun like a 9mm. Even being shot in the leg would not stop you from running away in a panic before the pain registers enough to stop you.

      • karaool .

        Thanks for your testimony, but can do without the reminder that this is REAL LIFE and not a movie or video game; don’t think any of us are that stupid or naive. I’m also pretty sure your experience with gunshots is no more definitive that most peoples’, as well. In fact, it stands in pretty stark contrast to my own. But testimony from so called “experts” is pretty weak evidence and is easily contradicted. Nice try, though. But you do seem to agree that the reporter must have received her mortal wounds while on camera. I find that interesting. And my guess is you would probably agree that hollow point bullets were definitely not involved, in spite of the fact that the father so clearly and categorically alleges they were in a TV interview made quite a few hours after the shooting. Doesn’t that make you even a little suspicious? It does me, though I prefer to reserve judgement until I’ve seen and heard all of the evidence I can get. Any chance of producing an autopsy report or pictures of the body? Some indications of entry or exit wounds and a hint of blood with enhanced stills from the video? No? Now that’s what I call suspicious.

  • REOCON smith

    Why did the camera shot of the shooter after the camera was on the ground have a 6:00 am time stamp. I am undecided but the fact the father is a known actor and several other weird things makes me curios.

    • Keelan Balderson

      It didn’t.

  • Alan Goff

    Anytime anyone goes to this kind of lengths to debunk the fact that this was a false flag really has their head up their butt if you want to be on the side of the truth go right ahead and if you want to be on the side of those who want to take your guns away which is the ultimate goal of these videos then take a hike we need the truth not your bs

    • Keelan Balderson

      But there’s no evidence it was a false flag sooooo …

      • Alan Goff

        The evidence is right in front of your face Keela that is why people are posting the videos showing the recoil on a gun and the flash and you tell us there is no evidence you sound like one of these guys who believes that 9/11 was done by Muslims with box cutters and that jet fuel can melt steel obviously you have not read the protocols of the learned Elders of Zion to understand that all of this unrest is created on purpose to create destabilising moments so that the One World Order can continue on with their plan either you are with the truth seekers or you’re one of the whores of the New World Order it’s really that simple dude make your choice and make it like a man. And rather than just a quick knee jerk reaction why don’t you read a few of the posts on the protocols of the learned Elders of Zion unless of course you are one of them too

        • Keelan Balderson

          Blah blah blah … I debunked the videos talking about recoil, shells, muzzle flash and so on.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            suuuure you did. you just gave me more doubts thanks gov shill

      • Zarko Vukelic

        there is no evidence anyone died show the vids of the first responders taking away the victims??? waiting????

        • Keelan Balderson

          Why the fuck would there be videos of that? Are you some kind of sick voyeur?

    • Nope

      Only reason you disagree is because you would hate for the government to make buying a gun inconvenient. What a pitty, grow up.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        the gun mans video does not match the camera mans video

        grow up and smell the hoax SHILL

  • UglyGirl Hunter

    Should have went to the funeral like most of us, you would have seen it was real. Not every tragedy is a hoax like the Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook, and some of the other school shootings. I think to make a point across it would have been more people dead, not just 3. The media has ruined so many lives.

    • Rach

      There was only 2 that ‘died’ not 3. if you went to the funeral you would have known this…

      • Errik Duvall

        Ugly girl hunter….. Debunked lol

      • UglyGirl Hunter

        No the other lady was just released.. I didn’t go but to one.

    • Nick Sousa

      The Boston bombing was not a hoax. What part of it do you not think was real? My sister and cousin were at the marathon to witness it. My cousin is a Cambridge cop he trained Sean Collier. I can tell you for an absolute fact that it happened just the way it was shown on the news.

      • Bodinky100

        Wake up, your house is on fire!

  • UglyGirl Hunter

    The Greenbergs really do play a huge part of placing their family and friends as patsies in different scandals.

  • Rach

    and how do you explain the fact that the reporter was nodding at the time she was shot in the footage shot by her own camera man. Yet from the ‘shooters’ camera footage – she was NOT nodding at the time she was shot. – two different takes it seems. explain that part please :)

    • Keelan Balderson

      The part where she is nodding is just the part where the shooter is rushing forward, the camera is out of focus and her head isn’t fully in frame.

      Did you actually watch the videos synced up?

      Suggesting they are 2 different takes is insane. Every single little mannerism matches up perfectly.

      • Rach

        yes i have watched both videos very carefulling. i suggest you watch them both again

        • Rach

          *carefully

        • Rach

          i have just posted a video comment that is awaiting approval to be posted

        • Keelan Balderson

          Not careful enough obviously … Article has been updated. DEBUNKED, try again next time.

      • Rach

        Then why did you deny the approval for the video proof i just posted? it was awaiting approval and now its gone. So it was denied. Because I was RIGHT!

      • Zarko Vukelic

        they do not match debunk that waiting???

      • Zarko Vukelic

        you would lose in the the court of law , opinions are not facts. The videos show two different events and no amount of BLAH BLAH will change that fact!!!

  • J A Prufrock

    Thank you Keelan! Those of you reading this, please take a careful look at the videos. Peekay22 really illuminates what is happening. I came on here after debating the veracity of this story with a friend. I was not expecting this article to change my mind! But it did, and now I owe my friend an apology…read carefully what the author is stating and make sure to watch what Peekay22 has posted on youtube. This article is slanted toward defending the new media’s coverage of the event, but clearly fails to address the issues, other than to state that the videos do sync? Watch for yourself and decide… Again, I did believe the story until this article and I am very much shocked that it did. Peekay22 should probably not be mentioned as he is not being debunked, but rather advertised. Thank you Keelan!!

    • Keelan Balderson

      Yes they do, just updated the article … DEBUNKED, sorry.

  • geononeya

    I live just down the road from this place please explain why there were no absolutely ZERO police, fire or ems vehicles going to the scene with their sirens and lights on?
    Because there was NO shooting there. and if you think for a minute the people listed in these photos as crisis actors aren’t the same people you don’t want wan the truth you want to continue your lie. A whole family was used around the sandy hook job and were all listed on government dhs crisis actors web site. wow what a load of horse crap you are mister “journalist” you should be ashamed of yourself.

    • bob

      Um…active shooter, you don’t advertise good guys on the way.

  • geononeya

    someone help me find these “dead” people and force the truth out

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Keelan Balderson if that’s even your real name. You would lose in the the court of law , opinions are not facts. The
    videos show two different events and no amount of BLAH BLAH will change
    that fact!!!

    • Keelan Balderson

      No they don’t. Article has been updated. DEBUNKED, try again next time.

      • J A Prufrock

        I am sorry Keelan, I agree with you on many things, but not this. Simply typing the word DEBUNKED does not make it so. Claiming outrageous falsehoods such as ‘its highly likely he missed the first three shots’ requires a high degree of mental gymnastics and I think most reasonable people could agree that this video (if true) is a statistical longshot. We can argue like children all day long, but we can both agree that the viewers need to decide for themselves. The videos not being sync is what got me convinced. The differences are subtle but noticeable. Keelan/Believers, if you have a paid directive to get people to avoid analyzing this situation, keep with the DEBUNKED refrain, if not please look into the videos of Peekay22 and decide.

        • Keelan Balderson

          You can be as long winded as you want. I debunked the claim the videos aren’t in sync. So either address the point directly or shut up.

          • J A Prufrock

            Viewers, please watch videos and decide for yourselves. The claim is substantiated because the videos are not in sync. Ignore the fact the shooter missed from so close. Just look at the evidence and decide for yourself. You can be as longwinded as you want in this article Keelan, this claim is clearly not debunked, sorry.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Yep, still not made a point.

            I don’t think you actually have one. You just saw some guy’s video and decided to believe it, and now you can’t actually defend your belief.

          • CJ

            J A Prufrock’s point seems pretty clear, he/she is asking for the viewers to decide for themselves…that being said, I don’t know how you conclude these are not the same takes. I think you do a great job debunking it Keelan.

    • AWOL1233

      Keelan can post all the BS he wants but the deck boards run in opposite directions from the video to the aerial footage of the Forensics Team The video shows Parallel Deck Boars where Alison ran and the Aerial Photo shows perpendicular deck boards where she ran. 100% proof yet Keelan will not comment on this, or he is too embarrased and uses a different screen name VEETER to try to disprove what the PCTURES CLEARLY SHOW.

  • geononeya

    keelan
    noticed you took down all of the pictures of the crisis actors you didn’t like who don’t “exist” funny how much of a shill and liar you are piece of crap.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Errrr click “load more comments” genius.

  • geononeya

    i’ll help you and repost them in case that was an “accident”

    • Keelan Balderson

      Most of these are just you being mental … the last one is fake.

      • CJ

        Agreed. That is ridiculous.

  • geononeya

    and let’s not forget these crisis actor “victims”

    • Keelan Balderson

      *facepalm”

  • geononeya

    is it phelps, sexton, or Greenberg?
    oh who can keep up, what with all the crisis acting to do and guns to get banned
    busy busy busy

  • geononeya

    the truth will set us free
    and Keelan you are a complete whack job nutter to think you are debunking anything
    you are obviously part of the cabal
    but not a very big or convincing one

    • Keelan Balderson

      And you’re a cliché.

    • AWOL1233

      Great Comment.

  • geononeya

    notice the “Phelps'” son plays the part of a “Soto” the brother of a sandy hook teacher
    but we see him with his sister in a family photo as a “Sexton” in Florida
    now which is it?
    the Sexton’s ENTIRE family looks IDENTICAL to victims and family of victims involved in this fake shooting
    ok maybe one of them “could ” resemble one of the “victims” family but ALL of them…HELL NO!!!
    NOW SAY THERE ARE NO CRISIS ACTORS INVOLVED IN ANY OF THESE CASES JACKAHOLE

    • Keelan Balderson

      This is me. I’m Eliot Rogers:

      • CJ

        Haha!

  • geononeya

    now notice the pictures of the little girl with the devil sign and the old man with the devil sign AKA a “Sexton” from Florida involved in the sandy hook case with his daughter the “Phelps” mother
    we also see pictures of him and his daughter
    debunk this mr. “journalist”

  • SmartGuy

    The author of this article is 120% correct on everything. EVERYTHING he said is what I’ve been saying since the day it happened, and I mean EVERYTHING. The author of this article is right on. I surround myself with intelligent people, but I’ve spent the past week trying to get through to a total moron I know that believes it was a hoax. The fact that this person is a moron to begin with explains why OF COURSE this moron is going to say it was a hoax.

    One thing about that screenshot that shows 6:00 AM….Whoever the moron is that used the screenshot probably took that screenshot from a newscast that aired later on that day on an entirely different network that posts the current time on the left side of the screen rather than the right, which is what the Virginia news station does. That clip of the shooting probably aired on another U.S. TV network at either 6:00 AM CST (which would have been 7:00 EST, which was 14 minutes after the shooting took place), 6:00 AM MST (which would have been 8:00 EST, or 1 hour and 14 minutes after the shooting), or 6:00 AM PST (which would have been 9:00 AM EST, or 2 hours and 14 minutes after the shooting).

    It’s really sad that there are so many idiotic morons out there who lack basic intelligence, common sense, logic, reasoning, and critical thinking. They go ahead and make comments and videos about these “hoaxes” without doing their homework beforehand and without using any reasoning, logic, common sense, etc., I guess because they lack these things to begin with. The end result is that they make total asses of themselves on the Internet. There’s an old saying – there’s a moron born every minute, and in this day and age it’s an epidemic. It’s better for these idiots to not open their mouths at all than to do so and remove all doubt that they’re idiotic morons. Another thing that’s sad is that normal, intelligent people have to write articles such as this one in order to try to get through to all the idiots out there. It’s almost like a kindergarten teacher giving the most basic lesson to their students. Articles such as this one are written so the morons of the world can possibly – just possibly – show some sign of hope that they possess even the most basic level of intelligence.

    • Aaron Corona

      The two videos don’t match up! What I mean by that is after the station camera turns sideways it keeps filming. His cell phone video from that point on does NOT match up with the station’s video. It takes good video equipment to see this. Frame by frame is the best way to see this. There is something that went on here that we are not being told. Either more than one shooter or a hoax……..time will tell.

      • Keelan Balderson

        His cell phone goes blank after the third shot.

        If you mean before this point then you’re just talking out of your ass. Give some examples.

        • Aaron Corona

          This is what I mean about good video equipment. The station video shows Alison being naked right after the camera went sideways. The next few frames show her completely naked up on the wooden railing he is standing over her shooting her in the chest. How could he have gotten her on that railing and ripped her clothes off that fast remember this was live TV. Another thing there is two station videos out there, the second one has been cropped so him shooting her doesn’t show. Now back to his cell phone video: Alison is on the deck with the railing behind her. She gets shot several times in the chest and at least one in the head, Also listen to the audio it is different in the videos you hear Alison screaming on one she yells “oh god” and the other nothing is said. Even the Audio part of the videos sounds phony, she continues to scream as loudly in the beginning as the end after Vester is walking off. After taking that many shots is that even possible?

          • Keelan Balderson

            “shows Alison being naked right after the camera went sideways.”

            What the actual fuck are you talking about?

          • CJ

            This really confused me as well, what are you talking about Aaron?

          • Veeter99

            “Aaron” is obviously a mere troll.

        • Bodinky100

          Of course it went blank, the fake bigfoot costume would be seen, gotta hide that stuff

    • H. E. Johnson

      2 minutes ago
      Um… I worked in media and i can prove the ENTIRE thing was with ONE question: “Who the hell moved the tripod out of the gunman’s path in the middle of the shooting??? If you look at the original shooter POV video, as he is walking up to the inyerview in process, the tropod is on the RIGHT side, in the exact spot where we will later see the gunman walking out of the shadows from the floor shot of the “Fallen Adam Cam”. The shooter is walking along the wall, steadily moving toward the women. He should be bumping right into it. But no… he does not trip over it or even walk around it. Why? Because it’s not there anymore! That separate take, someone had moved the tripod to adam’s side on the very LEFT. Infact, if you look at your gif labeled “shell casing 2” you look in the left corner… Oh look! Somebody moved the tripod out of the shooter’s path and right next to adam. Aw, that’s nice. Someone moved it and WHEN did he/she move it if really WAS all one smooth take? And the media basically ADMITTED I was right in an indirect way. How so? Two days after i posed the magicslly travelling tripod question, the media released new “clearer” footage of everything. But they CROPPED out all tripods and even Blacked out 1/3 the screen in the floor shot. I take that as a compliment and an admission that I was right on the nose with the most damning prove of it being rehearsed and taped in more than one shot. If im wrong, why is noe being covered up??? So answer me… somebody… anybody… who moved that tripod? D’OH! What’s wrong… cat got your tongue????

      • Matt Glass

        Right? And of the two “takes”, the one on the left she nods her head. The one on the right she doesn’t. Sync or no sync, those are two different takes. And the first person shooter most likely taken in front of a green screen.

        • Keelan Balderson

          Nope, read the article again.

    • Tom Jones

      THIS. They are giving conspiracy’s a bad name. i’m embarrassed. You can tell some of these people 2+2=4 and they’d tell you you’re wrong. This page explains everything. It debunks everything! That’s it.. cased closed. I’m a firearm collector and dealer. I don’t trust the government. I don’t believe the official version of 9/11. But these morons coming up with this ignorant shit for hoax evidence is silly as fuck and sad.

    • LaughingHystericallyGuy

      Funny how you refer to yourself as “SmartGuy” and use the word “moron” and similar words more than any other word yet you don’t even know the difference between PST, MST, CST, and EST vs PDT, MDT, CDT, and EDT. We are in daylight savings time so PST, MST, CST, and EST make ZERO sense during this time of the year.

  • H. E. Johnson

    Um… I worked in media and i can prove the ENTIRE thing was with ONE question: “Who the hell moved the tripod out of the gunman’s path in the middle of the shooting??? If you look at the original shooter POV video, as he is walking up to the inyerview in process, the tropod is on the RIGHT side, in the exact spot where we will later see the gunman walking out of the shadows from the floor shot of the “Fallen Adam Cam”. The shooter is walking along the wall, steadily moving toward the women. He should be bumping right into it. But no… he does not trip over it or even walk around it. Why? Because it’s not there anymore! That separate take, someone had moved the tripod to adam’s side on the very LEFT. Infact, if you look at your gif labeled “shell casing 2” you look in the left corner… Oh look! Somebody moved the tripod out of the shooter’s path and right next to adam. Aw, that’s nice. Someone moved it and WHEN did he/she move it if really WAS all one smooth take? And the media basically ADMITTED I was right in an indirect way. How so? Two days after i posed the magicslly travelling tripod question, the media released new “clearer” footage of everything. But they CROPPED out all tripods and even Blacked out 1/3 the screen in the floor shot. I take that as a compliment and an admission that I was right on the nose with the most damning prove of it being rehearsed and taped in more than one shot. If im wrong, why is noe being covered up??? So answer me… somebody… anybody… who moved that tripod? D’OH! What’s wrong… cat got your tongue????

    • Bodinky100

      They can’t because they know its all a lie!

    • JHOT 247

      wtf, you worked in the media!? They are lying, treasonous animals, didn’t you feel dirty? I couldn’t do it…(M)ulti (E)thnic (D)estruction (I)n (A)merica or (M)aniacal (E)uropean (D)evils (I)n (A)ction

  • http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/ Big Dan

    As soon as I saw the word “TRUTHER”, I stopped reading this crap and identified this author as a shill.

    • Bodinky100

      Major shill, he does this for everything from 911 to Sandy Hook. He tries to get you to doubt with all kinds of fallacies and disinformation, it’s an old trick!

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        He claims NOT to believe the official story of 9/11. But he believes this which (if it is a hoax) would have involved even less collaboration

        I agree that he definitely appears to be disinfo. Something seems way off.

  • Bodinky100

    All this work and for what? Nothing but disinformation and fallacies. These trolls and their handlers are so desperate to make the sheeple believe their lies. I have seen this guy before trying to prove the official 911 fairy tale as true with all kinds of disinfo and fallacies like this garbage!

    • Keelan Balderson

      No you haven’t … I don’t believe the official story of 9/11, so you pulled that out of your ass.

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        You don’t believe the official story on 9/11 yet you had this to say to me earlier, “BS. I guarantee you that many, many police and emergency responders saw those two bodies. THEY are proof those two were killed”

        Yet you don’t believe the official story of 9/11 which would have had to have involved even more people?

        Come on Keelan. Where’s your consistency?
        Why are you suddenly choosing to believe mainstream reporting now?

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        You do realise that in order for the powers at be to have pulled off 9/11, it would have involved even more collaboration and work than this staged event, right?
        Yet you question the official account of 9/11 and not this??

        Disinformation On Steroids.

      • AWOL1233

        You dont believe 9/11 yet say this was too elaborate to be a hoax LMAO. Keelan I used to enjoy your work. What happened bro, did you go to the dark side?

  • Matt Glass

    Desperate times call for desperate lies. Too bad for the shills n trolls. Get some better actors and directing. And a more believable narrative.

  • Veeter99

    Great job on this analysis, Mr. Balderson.

    I came to the whole possibility of this being a hoax with an open mind. First, a friend told me he thought it was a hoax because of Ms. Parker’s ability to run after getting shot, and sent me a link to some vids. I looked at them carefully and the first thing I saw was that the gun wasn’t even pointed at Ms. Parker during the first two to three shots and I knew that those shots most likely missed her completely and was why she was able to run. You have seen the same thing.

    Now, in your analysis, everything *else* I had seen “exposed” in those hoax videos (and a few additional things) is thoughtfully and thoroughly addressed.

    To those who think the syched-up comparison between the two videos shows it is two separate takes, you are not looking closely enough. It’s most easily seen in the slower video (but it can be seen in regular speed also); when Ms. Parker is making her last and most noticeable nod in the TV video, her face is not even visible in the shooter’s video. Plus, all her other body movements *after* the shooting starts are identical as seen in the regular speed video.

    I will pass your analysis on to my friend and any others who have an open mind and wish to see a thorough analysis.

    • JHOT 247

      real or staged, the point is there’s an agenda at play, to take the guns from the people. They’ve been itching to strip us of the right to bear arms. And crisis actors, false flags, operations take place daily. They are well funded, coordinated and don’t forget, the media and government go hand in hand. That’s the primary function of the CIA…(people seem to think all they do is chase down bad guys in foreign countries, no, the majority of their work is domestic and it involves the populaiton, not terrorists, that’s the rhetoric they feed us through the tightly controlled media) This country is under tyranny, and the government is rushing to hammer in the last nails of liberty and freedom. Since 9/11 the amount of rights stripped, laws created, police assaults on the public have sky rocketed. The lack of regard for our foundational documents (constitution and bill of rights) they use it as a kleenex, it’s literally null and void. People fail to realize the war on terror is a war on the american way of life and the public. This thing where they strip us of rights and freedoms for security is as old as mankind itself. And every media outlet staging these false flags, or reporting on them and omitting the truth, are fit as traitors, and exist as the real terrorists.

      • Foster Hampton

        So tell me, how would the governement go about taking every ones guns away?

        • JHOT 247

          they’ll continue to flood the airwaves with exposure of these shootings at schools, movie theater’s etc until they change public opinion on guns and have people saying “this is getting out of hand, something needs to be done” you can see it with all the shootings, not long after they occur, whether they are real or staged, “experts” or “family members” calling for crackdowns on guns, like for instance, the sandy hook shooting, anderson cooper reading letters on air written from children, calling for tougher gun laws and no more guns etc lol, in fucking crayon, it’s all an agenda, they are the biggest criminals on the planet, the way they operate, media and government go hand in hand, and the agenda of the government gets pushed by the media. And the CIA, works primarily on US soil, and the funding and manpower is there for such operations, that carry out agendas, and more importantly the evil is there to do such things, always has been. There’s a means to an end with all these “shootings” and unfortunately, most of the population get duped time and time again, thinking it’s all real, and they get guided and manipulated, right into the hands of the perpetrators, the government, with an agenda to take the guns.

    • Tom Jones

      For those she wouldn’t have been able to run have been watching too much movies and videos games! As a Military Vet, former LEO and current Security Contractor.. I assure you this is not true. Little pistols rounds do rarely immediately drop someone, unless it shatters their hip or CNS. Even then.. they often still take off. I’ve seen 110lb hadji’s take multiple rounds of 5.56 or 7.62 and keep on coming!

  • CMRocks10001

    First, whoever edited the film to add the shell casings screwed up. The shell casings are coming from the wrong direction. Second, when you compare the cell video to the “live” footage, the windows and railing are different.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Nope, Glocks eject to the right

      • Frank

        Yeah your right but the video your using to prove the fakes doesn’t show any shells coming out at all and it had nothing to do with the idiot holding the camera in his left hand like you are trying to say. Oh and by the way nice language.

        • Foster Hampton

          But they do show shell casing coming out.

  • CJ

    Agreed Keelan, these videos look the same. You do a great job examining the evidence.

  • JHOT 247

    It’s odd, you have people like the author of this page, Keelan Balderson questioning people’s instincts that there might be something criminal and corrupt going on with these “shootings”, as if we’re just pulling these things out of thin air. She’s a tratior and just as low as the government officals who are ramming agendas down our throats through violence, real or staged. And Keelan, operations are a huge part of what the CIA does, and most of them are on american soil. So cut the bs and stop trying to debunk the fact that people are starting to call a spade a spade. People, the terrorism is on you, on us the people, can’t you see that with the militarized police force, internal armies, that’s for us, not bad guys running around with turbans lol…and 9/11 was the kickoff to that. For agendas to be implemented and that means our rights and freedoms have to go. Don’t let authors and traitors like this woman tell you what your natural instincts are telling you, listen to them. They are usually right.

    • AWOL1233

      Agreed, This single report and his replies have forced me to unsub his channels and remove his site. I had seen earlier work of his I thought was good but this just outed him as a disinfo troll in my opinion.

  • Sharon

    OK debunk this one, in all the videos the wood planks that Alison and her cameraman are standing on go one direction and then when Alison runs off the planks are running the opposite direction…Now in the aerial shot of Adam Ward’s body ALL those planks now run the SAME direction????????

    • Tom Jones

      Those blanks change directions every 15ft or so at the location. I viewed every photo I could find. They all line up perfectly. What the hell are you talking about? Post photos!

    • Joshua Smith

      I don’t understand what you’re saying exactly, but are you suggesting they rebuilt the deck in between takes?

      • Sharon

        No I am not saying they rebuilt the deck,,, I am saying they are 2 separate decks… Staged, just like in movies where they do take after take and in the final version after all the editing Molly is wearing a watch and the next scene Molly has no watch,,,,ooops they didn’t catch that mistake….but the final scene is already out for people to see…

        • Veeter99

          Sharon, see my reply to you just above, plus near the beginning of the comments when I replied to you when you posted the aerial photo.

          There are two sections of decking shown in the first photo in the original article as well as in the shooter’s video under the heading “Slowed Down”. These sections are running perpendicular to each other and are separated by a diagonal line. And they are clearly shown.

    • John

      Can’t be debunked Sharon. Great point.

      • Veeter99

        Clearly, it can be debunked. See my reply to Sharon.

    • Foster Hampton

      The first two pictures answer your question

    • Veeter99

      Sharon, I can answer you.

      Look at the first photo in the article; the one that is right under “Why Did They Not See The Shooter?”

      You will see the boards under where Alison is standing are running
      perpendicular to the railing just like you say. Then in the left corner
      you will see the section where Alison runs to; and you can tell they
      are running parallel to the railing.

      This is consistent with what is in the shooter’s ENTIRE video. He walks up to the interview from a walkway that comes toward and is perpendicular to the railing and all those boards are perpendicular to the railing and you can see that they run right up to it.

      I don’t know if you can still find the entire shooter’s video on YouTube, but you probably can.

    • AWOL1233

      Sharon this cannot be debunked and is 100% proof this is a fake shooting filmed dring multiple takes. Great spot and it cannot be refuted as the PICTURES DO NOT LIE. This is bad news for the folks who put this video together as it outs them as being Govt shills of disinfo. And this Vetter dude is part of the same clan of disinfo agents.

      • Veeter99

        I debunked Sharon’s point. Too bad you missed it and are going off half cocked.

        It’s also sad that you’re so desperate to score points here that you’re now trying to paint me as a “disinfo agent.”

        You’re no better than the Democrat shills who yell “racist” every time someone criticizes something Prez Zero did.

        You’re a weak coward. You can’t successfully refute ANYTHING, so you’re just repeating your past failures, hoping they’ll stick.

        Try harder. It will make you a better advocate for truth.

  • Erin Anderson

    She was moving her head on one take and her head was completely still in the second take. This was a false flag fake shooting with the goal of pushing gun control. Don’t let these crisis actors destroy our Second Amendment. Our gun rights must be protected.

    • Veeter99

      It’s *not* two separate takes; you’re not looking closely enough. The fact that it’s not two separate takes is most easily seen in the slower video (but it can be seen in regular speed also); when Ms. Parker is making her last and most noticeable nod in theTV video, her face is not even visible in the shooter’s video. Plus, all her other body movements *after* the shooting starts are identical as seen in the regular speed video.

      Watch the synched up videos 10 times or more; you’ll see it. I wish the shooter’s video wasn’t as fuzzy and wobbly; it would be more obvious.

      • Erin Anderson

        It was a fake shooting. The “father” is using this fake shooting as an excuse to spread anti-gun propaganda and to take guns away from law abiding citizens.

        • Veeter99

          Did you even TRY to see what I’m talking about?

          I notice you didn’t attempt to explain how YOU can see Ms. Parker’s head “not nodding” in the shooter’s video at the moment I’m talking about.

          That’s because you CAN’T see her head at that moment. Her head is out of the frame.

          Is your mind open or is it made up?

          You seem to be basing your opinion on nothing. Zero.

          Prove me wrong. Prove to me that your mind is open.

          Also, have you read the entire article and tried to think about each section intelligently?

          • Erin Anderson

            Her head was very clearly NOT nodding in the second take and I CAN see her head clearly in both takes. The first take she was clearly nodding her head up and down the second take she wasn’t. This fake shooting is poorly directed and edited. The film maker needs to go back to film school and these crisis actors need to go back to acting school. I also thought it was funny how “Alison” was shot twice and he didn’t drop to the ground, it was clearly a fake. I also find it funny that the fake gun that the “shooter” is using isn’t ejecting shells out of the right side of the gun. This was clearly a fake gun shooting blanks. Second rate actors along with bad special effects stand out in this false flag event.

          • Foster Hampton

            Why would they use shitty actors, if this is some big conspiracy played out by the liberals? If some group is going to fake somthing as serious as a shooting they would they use shitty actors, shitty guns, and shitty editing.

          • Erin Anderson

            They also used shitty actors for the Sandy Hook fake shooting . Watch some of Gene Rosen bad acting and you will see. The actors tend to overact, fail to produce tears and real emotion, and always come out talking about gun control right after the fake shooting event. These crisis actors are scam artist.

          • AWOL1233

            Erin you are 100% correct about the nods. Also irrefutable is the deck boards in the video run parallel to the building where Alison “ran” away from the shooter and the aerial view of the foresics team working with Adams body laying there show the boards running perpendicular in the same place Alison “ran”. This proves beyond any doubt that this was a staged hoax. And yes Vetter is either on the payroll of those who ran this hoax or he is the other under a different name because this debunking video is getting smashed as a disinfo piece.

          • Veeter99

            Like Erin, you’re failing. See my posts about the planking nearer to the beginning of the comments.

            What I show about them is what’s irrefutable, not what you’re saying.

          • Man of Sin

            lol so you admit that his reaction is unbelievable?

          • Veeter99

            No, you’re still ignoring my point. Get somebody to watch those two videos WITH you. Have the other person say “NOD” when she nods in the TV video while you’re watching the shooter video. That is the only way you’ll be able to tell that her head is OUT OF FRAME in the shooter’s video during the nod.

          • Erin Anderson

            This fake shooting has two takes. One take she is nodding, the second take she is not nodding. I have had 5 different people view the two takes and they say they the same thing I’m saying, one nod take and one no nod take. I’m sorry, but this is a fake shooting. It was a scam. We have been duped.

          • Veeter99

            No, you’re wrong, along with those 5 people. In the shooter’s video, her head is completely out of the frame during her final nod shown in the TV video.

            YOU have duped yourself.

            Did you even try the technique I told you about of having another person say, “NOD” while you’re watching the shooter’s video?

          • Erin Anderson

            I have a feeling Veeter99 works for the same people that put this fake shooting together. Veeter99, were you one of the production staff for this false flag event? The next time you put together one of these fake shootings try to make it appear real. Also, the next time you hire crisis actors find actors that know how to act. This Alison Parker character was “shot” twice, yet she ran away like she just saw a mouse. When people get shot at close range they usually fall down in pain. Also, this Andy Parker character is the worst actor I have ever seen. He doesn’t even know how to cry on cue and it was funny how he came out hours after his “daughter” was “shot” to talk to the media about his gun control agenda. He wasn’t even emotional or crying, he just wanted to talk about his anti-gun agenda. He’s about as bad as the crisis actors seeing in the Sandy Hoax fake shooting event, and that’s really bad. This fake shooting was a big failure. It has been exposed as a fraud. It’s a scam used to spread the anti-gun propaganda.

          • Veeter99

            See my replies to you today nearer the beginning.

            You’re showing your desperation by not attempting to refute my points and merely repeating old objections that have already failed.

          • Erin Anderson

            How much are they paying you?

          • AWOL1233

            Erin, I have watched both videos and 2 of my State Trooper buddies have watched both videos and her head is nodding in one and still in the other. Seriously this VEETER person is strange. Everything that is 100% obvious his response is name calling, or “Your not paying close enough attention” LMAO. 2 state troopers watched the video and agreed they HAVE to be different takes. Also Check Out Kelli Kohlmeier interview. She had her apartment raided because they found the shooters “Shoes and pants” on her balconey. She says the FBI had broken into her apartment and woke her at 7:01 amwith guns drawn. Now how did the FBI get there so darn fast LMAO. STAGED HOAX.

          • Mrgreeneye656

            How dare you say Andy Parker is the worst actor. I’ll have you know that if it weren’t for him I wouldn’t be eating Post Raisin Bran..Oooo Weee (lol)

  • Errik Duvall

    Dubunked failed lol

    • Awesome Blank Avatar

      IKR? Debunk Debunked!!

      • Veeter99

        No, the debunk has not been debunked.

        There’s a lot of speculation and guessing going on with all the hoax believers, but so far, no evidence.

        • Awesome Blank Avatar

          You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
          It’s not anyone else’s fault that you refuse to confront the obvious.

          • Veeter99

            This “hoax” is only obvious to you and your fellow believers.

            Also, the horse/water analogy doesn’t work here. You should probably stay away from analogies altogether after failing that badly.

  • Facebook Moderator

    Someone is going well out of their way to try to DISPROVE it is a false flag. How about research the alleged “Father” to the lady reporter. You know, the one who went on camera hours after her shooting ALONG with the boyfriend and demanded Gun Control. The one who the “Governor” texted him SAME DAY as the shooting to tell him he supports the gun control lobby he wants. Research him (fake dad) and his history as a paid actor. Just go to his LINKED IN page. And don’t try so hard to disprove it next time. We are AWAKE to what is going on around us.

    • JHOT 247

      the dust didn’t even settle and this idiot wants to disprove it being a hoax, he’s a traitor, question EVERYTHING, because the media is an arm of government, and it lies, omits, and bullshits people DAILY, that’s their job, to peddle us trivial realities and topics and keep us off the real facts of anything.

      • Veeter99

        It’s A VERY GOOD THING to question everything, but you guys aren’t thinking clearly. You’re running away from the things in this article by just saying, “It happened and all of you idiots are traitors,” instead of trying to say why the points made in the article are flawed.

        That does nothing to prove your side of the argument that it was a hoax. Get some proof. Until you do, you’re just shooting your mouth off. Put in some effort like the article’s writer did.

        BTW, to use your initial sentence, you do know there were people CLAIMING it was a hoax “before the dust settled,” right? Are you okay with that?

        • Awesome Blank Avatar

          Here is where your logic is inconsistent and confusing.

          You said you didn’t believe the official story of 9/11 but with regard to THIS alleged shooting, you said this:

          “BS. I guarantee you that many, many police and emergency responders saw those two bodies. THEY are proof those two were killed. And how many EMTs and doctors and trauma specialists at the hospital do you think saw the interviewee and worked to save her life?”

          Do you understand how more people would have had to have collaborated in order to pull off 9/11?

          Where is the consistency with your logic?

      • Mrgreeneye656

        I remember Karl Roves once said bragging, “That’s not the way the world really works anymore, We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
        while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act
        again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s
        how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you,
        will be left to just study what we do.”

        • JHOT 247

          people are starting to see these things as suspicious (these “shootings”) and people who bash them by calling them loons or crazy or conspiracy nuts are usually indoctrinated brain dead americans who think the news or cnn is there to give them the truth, like if a story or angle didn’t come from their tv, they automatically dismiss it as crazy without looking into it, so in actuality the people calling these “shootings” hoaxes are more conscious and aware than them, they are more alert and awake, fuck em’

    • Veeter99

      So far, no one here has PROVED it WAS a false flag.

      You get THAT, don’t you?

      You guys who BELIEVE it was hoaxed need to prove it WAS hoaxed.

      So far, all you’ve done is repeat all the points that this article has addressed. That is easy. Find proof the three people are still alive. Find evidence loved ones have flown down to Costa Rica to start a new life. Something. You’ve got zero EVIDENCE so far.

      That’s the way it works in this world. YOU need to prove it WAS a hoax, the rest of us don’t need to prove it WASN’T.

    • Awesome Blank Avatar

      He doesn’t get that the burden on proof isn’t on us.
      He is asserting that because certain people appeared on TV to state that this event happened, the burden is on us to prove that it didn’t.

      Well let’s examine what is wrong with that line of thinking.

      The bible claims God exists. People who believe in God often use the bible as ‘evidence’ that he exists.
      In this instance, we have TV – mainstream media, government and various people dressed in uniform. We’re being expected to argue on their terms, in their turf.
      Debunk them using evidence that their production (their own bible) wasn’t up to par. I don’t think so.

      Both Government and mainstream TV both have a sordid past. Manufactured consent is not a good way to earn trust from the public.
      Gulf of Tonkin. Operation Northwoods. War on Iraq. And what pray tell is Operation Mockingbird?
      A CIA media control program which has been well documented by various sources, some mainstream, many independent.

      Now let’s examine the people trying to sell us gun control in this instance.
      Andy Parker- Supposedly bankrupt ex-politician, banker, actor who starred in B grade tv commercials as well as broadway.
      Chris Hurst- alleges to have been in a “white hot relationship” with Alison that was somehow kept secret from everybody. Why, we’ll never know.
      He refers to his photo album as Alison “documenting” the relationship.
      Documenting? Strange choice of words there.
      He has also been involved in acting in the past.
      Alison Parker- Has a history of performing in the arts, as well as acting.

      Actors, Actors, Actors everywhere you look.

      So to everyone who says “but there would have to have been so many people collaborating for them to have pulled this off…”, I say, look at what they’ve managed to pull off in the past and get your head out of the sand.

      Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. Hearsay is not evidence that any shooting has occurred.

      • Veeter99

        “Hearsay is not evidence that any shooting has occurred.”

        A bunch of suspicion, speculation, and guesswork is not evidence that a hoax occurred.

        • Awesome Blank Avatar

          You’re still not getting this.
          The event hasn’t been proven to have occurred to begin with. Hearsay proves nothing.

          • Veeter99

            “The event hasn’t been proven to have occurred to begin with.”

            Well then. That’s all the evidence YOU and your fellow believers need to convince others that it WAS a hoax.

            Thanks for that.

            Let’s move on to the moon landing.

            By your reasoning, that one’s a goner, too.

            Hmmm. This is all so easy now.

            Everything that was not seen IN PERSON by you and others like you NEVER HAPPENED or is HIGHLY SUSPECT.

            That sure clears up a lot.

      • aprogressivist

        This nonsense about burden of proof is a caricature of logic. You are muddying the waters, deliberately or otherwise.

        You are not wrong to point out that a video’s authenticity is not guaranteed, but from a purely epistemological point of view, it’s mere existence satisfies the burden of proof.

        If I claim that Russell’s Teapot exists and show you a YouTube video that I claim shows Russell’s Teapot in orbit, I have satisfied the burden of proof; to refuse that I’ve satisfied it because you assume it is a hoax, is in fact a fallacy in its own right: you are begging the question.

        Of course just because I’ve satisfied the epistemic burden of proof doesn’t mean I’m right, just as seeing a video doesn’t make what it shows true.

        But you are the one claiming massive conspiracy, so the burden of proof is now firmly on you to demonstrate that a massive conspiracy exists. If you think such things are obvious and don’t require proof I’m happy to come back and mentor you further in critical thinking.

        • Veeter99

          aprog, you said, “But you are the one claiming massive conspiracy, so the burden of proof
          is now firmly on you to demonstrate that a massive conspiracy exists. If
          you think such things are obvious and don’t require strong evidence I’m
          happy to come back and mentor you further in critical thinking.”

          And I say, “BOOM goes the dynamite! Well done, sir.”

          That is what I’ve been trying to tell AwesomeBAv” all along, but it has been falling on deaf ears.

      • Mrgreeneye656

        Right on

      • Mrgreeneye656

        Hey Awesome I agree with you on all points and believe wholeheartedly this was a hoax. You lose me at “God exist”, other than that you’re right on all the points mentioned.

  • Errik Duvall

    Medical examiner said Adam was killed with a shot to the head, but wasn’t it convienent that the camera was dropped gently to the ground facing the gunman?? after the shot to the head he woulda dropped like a rock…#DubunkedDebunker

    • Veeter99

      How do you know it was “dropped gently?” Are you trying to say that today’s video cameras can’t take a beating? Not true, sir. Sure, you can say, “wasn’t it convienent that the camera was dropped gently to the ground facing the gunman,” but sometimes seemingly impossible stuff happens.

      I came to this whole thing with an open mind. It seems like too many others haven’t. This analysis is very well done, but some don’t seem to have the ability to think critically and see that the evidence is overwhelmingly against this being a hoax.

      Right here in the comments section, the writer of the article has answered every objection that has been brought up, and all his detractors have as a comeback is to come back at him and call him names instead of discussing what he said and taking the discussion forward, telling him why they truly think they are right. That doesn’t convince ANYONE.

      • Sharon

        The problem is this whole damn story reeks of, “seemingly impossible stuff”.

        • Awesome Blank Avatar

          Precisely.
          Just like 9/11’s “cartoon physics” that have never been seen or documented before.
          We’re supposed to just lap it up because a group of people on TV said it happened.

          • Veeter99

            What is this 9/11 “cartoon physics” you refer to?

          • Awesome Blank Avatar

            Planes being swallowed whole by steel buildings.

          • Veeter99

            The plane that hit WTC 1 went in almost dead center and WAS “swallowed whole” but the one that hit WTC 2 hit off center and parts of it were found all over the surrounding area. Two pieces of landing gear, a section of fuselage, and an engine.

            That’s real physics, not “cartoon physics,” and you’re not doing yourself and your discernment abilities any favors by labelling it as such.

        • Veeter99

          “The problem is this whole damn story reeks of, ‘seemingly impossible stuff’.”

          Wrong.

          You and your fellow hoax believers’ suspicions and speculations reek of “hoax until proven otherwise.”

          I vanquished your BS about the decking. It was easy.

          Find some solid evidence that it was definitely a hoax, then you’ll have something.

          Until then, you’re just shooting your mouth off.

  • make edwards

    I want to start by saying you can call me anything you like (e.g. troll, shill). I admittedly really wanted this shooting to be a hoax and I can’t definitively say it wasn’t. I am a gun owner and carry daily. I do not want to loose my 2nd amendment rights because of the insane actions of the mentally impaired. I have a big investment in firearms and if the government wants to take our guns they damn well better fork over fair market value. None of this gift card bullshit or 3% percent or less of actual value crap. I’ve watched numerous videos on this which definitely pointed me in the direction of a hoax. One video I saw showed the shooters POV slowed down 8 times. It was the lack of shell casings being ejected as well as the slide not apparently cycling that had me convinced. However, the evidence presented here has me questioning that thinking. First, for those who think she should have dropped where she stood…that’s not likely with a 9mm firearm. They lack stopping power. This is why many law enforcement agencies went to 40 cal or 357 sig. The 9mm is really considered a mild round in most gun circles. Second, I don’t have enough knowledge of video equipment and the like to say for sure that the shell casings and slide movement would have definitely been apparent. Do I think the government has perpetrated hoaxes in order to take our guns…for sure. I’m just not sure this was one of them. For those of us who become hyper aware when shooting events take place, I think it wise to remember that real events are going to happen as well. NEVER forget the words of Eric Holder who stated “We have to brainwash the American people into thinking differently about guns.” Eye and ears open people…but don’t allow yourself to fall victim to confirmation bias.

  • Coop

    Man my only question is why is there no blood on the deck or that dripped through the wooden planks underneath the camera man’s body? Just saying,there may not have been immediate blood but damn sure would leave a puddle after a few minutes

    • ThePoet Darkling

      Because we don’t always bleed after death. It’s a bit difficult to bleed when the heart isn’t pumping.

    • JHOT 247

      operations take place daily, the media is an arm of government, this is all to strip us of our guns, whether it’s real or staged, their using it to the max, tyranny is here but people don’t even realize it

  • Joe

    I’ve got some points to bring up, which really point to this being a hoax. I tried like hell to disprove the hoax theorists, but I can’t.

    1: No shell casings… This has not been debunked at all. Yes, there “appear” to be 2 shell casings dropping when the cameraman is down and the gunner is in the frame, but zero up to that point. It’s also important to note, that shell casings make a very distinct high frequency “ting” when they land on a hard surface, or they make a dull “tick” sound depending on how they land, such as the deck. There is not one single indication of that. It’s also important to note, that when the camera goes down to the deck, there are no shell casings to be seen, pretty much where they would have ejected…

    2: He waved the gun like 3 feet from her almost 20 seconds before. The damn woman getting interviewed MUST have seen that. It’s completely improbable that she didn’t, or that they all just ignored the big dark gun toting man right in their space. It’s possible they ignored him because they were live, but… I don’t know, seems really fishy.

    3: Head nod. This also has not been debunked. There is no indication that her head moves at all just before she is shot in the shooter’s footage, so you cannot say, the camera was blurry therefore she was shot, therefore it’s debunked. That’s not good enough. I patched both videos into Adobe premiere and went frame for frame, and nothing indicates head movement, even through the slight blur, because you can still make it out pretty well… Also… The EXACT head nod she does before she is shot in the live cam, can also be seen in the shooter video exactly 3.3 seconds before the shot. Even the interviewees hand gestures are the same. See it for yourself. This is not irrefutable proof, but enough people have noticed it to see the merit.

    4: I understand there might not have been much blood, but every one of your “gun shooting” examples above shows one thing for sure… Impact. Nothing on her body had any sign of anything impacting it and that would be impossible if she’d been shot. Even if she hadn’t been shot… Based on the trajectory and aim, a bullet should have hit the deck, or the railing behind her, but you don’t see or hear any of that. This is another outpoint.

    5: Father interviews same day and next day. BULLSHIT. I have a daughter, and if this happened to her, I’d be wrecked.. beyond wrecked, I’d probably jump off a bridge. And his message is gun control???? What the hell would he care anymore? His daughter is dead… Guns are the last thing anyone would be thinking about. The man who killed his daughter was a murderer. Period. He could have shown up with a pitchfork. Is he going to say, Pitchfork control? And the “boyfriend” is very clearly a gay man. I don’t understand his mantras, like “white hot love” and “she made us take these pictures” There’s one interview where he say’s, “She was a good daughter, and a good boyfriend…” Freudian slip anyone? And he’s smiling a lot. Interviewed the same day… and day after. This is all very wrong.

    6: Finally… It stinks like a production. Vester, the disgruntled black man goes to make a big show of himself killing his white racist coworkers, and yet gets no one dead on his camera? The reporter’s head blurs right at the moment when we should see her nodding? He drops his camera down right when Alison runs out of frame? He doesn’t show footage of shooting the camera man? He obviously planned to do just that, yet, conveniently, all the solid evidence of mayhem is… not there.

    Now, I should also note the one thing here which gives me any doubt, to be fair.

    1: There is clearly blood hitting the deck after the camera man falls. I can see the specks appearing on the plank. I’ve also seen a photo of blood pooled on the stairwell below the deck where Adam’s head would be. Part of me feels like, he was actually killed, but… I can’t see how Alison would be okay with that if she was part of a staged shooting. So, I’m more inclined to think that he just eye-dropped a few specks on the deck for detail.

    For the record, I’ve never called anything a hoax, and I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I saw the articles popping up about it being a hoax and I got curious, so here I am.

    • John

      In the photo where you see blood on the lower railing, you will notice the deck boards on the top deck where Alison was running are parallel to the building but in the pic showing the blood on the railing the upper deck boards are perpendicular. This cannot be explained by anyone. Obvious that something was edited here.

      • Veeter99

        Look at the first photo in the article; the one that is right under ”

        Why Did They Not See The Shooter?”
        You will see the boards under where Alison is standing are running perpendicular to the railing just like you say. Then in the left corner you will see the section where Alison runs to; and you can tell they are running parallel to the railing.

        This is consistent with what is in the shooter’s ENTIRE video. He walks up to the interview from a walkway that comes toward and is perpendicular to the railing and all those boards are perpendicular to the railing and you can see that they run right up to it.

        I don’t know if you can still find the entire shooter’s video on YouTube, but you probably can.

        • AWOL1233

          VEETER your explanation fails to mention that the aerial photo of the Forensics folks working the scene show the deck boards clearly running perpendicular. Sorry but this is clear as day. Irrefutable bro.

          • Veeter99

            Check my other posts above on this, nearer to the beginning of the comments. You have been proven wrong.

    • Veeter99

      Joe, see my reply to “AwesomeBlankAvatar” above, posted at 7 PM today. It begins with “You said, ‘Firstly, this shooting was never proven to have actually occurred. In the absence of proof of such, it is not our responsibility
      to prove that it didn’t.’ ”

      It addresses many of your points.

      I think one of the strongest points against this being a hoax is the many, many police and emergency responders who saw those two bodies. THEY
      are proof those two were killed. And how many EMTs and doctors and
      trauma specialists at the hospital do you think saw the interviewee and
      worked to save her life? Also, wasn’t she married? How about extended
      family? Hoax believers are claiming probably close to 100 people had to be shushed up.

      VERY unlikely, if not impossible.

      Maybe a year from now, someone will bump into Alison Parker and her fiancee while on vacation in Costa Rica or Greece or somewhere.

      But I doubt it.

      • Joe

        Veeter, you make a very strong point… And that does sit in my mind as a strong and reasonable doubt to the hoax theory. I don’t have a good rebuttal for it, other than to propose that, yes, that many people were in on it, and maybe, just maybe, there is a secret governmental alliance with such people to stage certain things like this to “better the country” by scaring the populace into giving up their guns. I don’t know… I’m still waiting for someone to set up some dummies and reenact the whole thing with a real glock, using the same kind of cell phone the shooter had, in the same lighting it was and see if you don’t see any shell casings, or impact when the bullet smashes into the mannequin. I think you’ll be shocked to discover, that in the very least, the mannequin’s shirt will flutter when that bullet hits it, in the very least the wood of the railing and deck will resound with impact and splinter. Also, next time you hear about someone’s kid dying, or girlfriend dying, (in real life) go talk to them and see the difference of what someone who actually lost their kid or fiance is like. It’s a big difference.

        Honestly, there’s toooo many outpoints in this shooting to just accept it as fact, and people are not stupid, “most” of these conspiracy theorists are highly intelligent people who don’t just swallow what they’re being fed, and honestly I never would have questioned it all, had I not seen the articles saying it was a hoax.

        • Veeter99

          Don’t hold your breath waiting for someone to reenact the scene. The perp is dead, so there won’t be a trial. But maybe you can send Geraldo out there if you can get him to believe it was hoaxed.

          Re: stuff like this “scaring the populace into giving up their guns,” that is never going to happen and you know it. Talk to everyone you know who owns firearms and ask them if a continuous stream of shootings like this could EVER scare them into giving up their guns.

          They’ll tell you real fast that this kind of stuff is what makes them glad they own guns and can use them to protect themselves from nutjobs and thieves.

  • http://www.winteractionables.com/ Russ Winter

    I have a news flash for you: In the real, actual world, people would notice this 300-pound black man, who looks like a modern-day Golem, wearing body armor, a mounted camera and waving a Glock. He walks up within five-six feet of three targets, mutters “bitch” and then stands around 27 seconds before opening fire. Only in “Pulp Fiction” would Golem miss three or four point-blank shots on his close-range target.

  • sean s

    Truthers are sick people who generally live a life of complete powerlessness. This is their coping mechanism. How sad.

  • John

    In the picture you have above right under “is the shooters hand white” the deck boards are clearly running parallel to the building. The picture showing the aerial view of the cameramans body show the deck board in the SAME location running perpendicular to the building. The location is where Alison began running away. Please explain as this seems to be irrefutable evidence that this was staged and manipulated. I hope you allow this question to be answered

    • Veeter99

      Look in the shooter’s video (in the article) that is below the label
      “Slowed Down:” and you’ll see. Beginning at the post supporting the
      roof, there is a diagonal line running toward the building. On Alison’s
      side of that line, the boards run perpendicular to the railing. On the
      other side of the line, they run parallel to the railing.

      Also, in Sharon’s photo near the beginning of the comments, if you look between the vertical railing supports on the right side of the roof support, you can see the the gaps between those boards running parallel to the railing in the foreground before the shadow of the railing.

      You can even see that diagonal line where the two areas are joined if you look at the 4th and 5th gaps between the vertical railing supports (to the right of the white thing that is to the right of the post).

      • AWOL1233

        Veeter you can cut and past all you want the same bad information but it is clear as day that the video you refer to “slowed down” shows the deck boards running parallel where the Picture Sharon keeps posting of the “Clean Up scene” / Forensics Team show CLEARLY the deck boards run perpendicular at the same location as the video shows them running parallel. You are not being very truthful here mate.

        • Veeter99

          Check my other posts above on this. You have been proven wrong.

  • make edwards

    Here’s one I just noticed. Why is the garden hose not visible in the shooters footage but is seen in the footage of the cameraman’s recording?

    • Veeter99

      Because it is on the deck beside and/or behind where he is standing and out of the view of the camera.

      • make edwards

        The cameraman’s camera is pointed directly at the corner of the building. The hose or whatever it is is running through the entire length of the frame and would have been all around her feet in the shooter’s POV.

        • make edwards

          If you look at the 2 loops showing the shell casings flying, the hose is clearly right where she was standing.

          • make edwards

            I suppose it is possible that he dragged the hose shuffling his feet as he moved forward.

          • Veeter99

            No, that’s the corner behind/beside where Adam was standing, not the corner that was near where Alison was standing.

        • Veeter99

          make, you said, “The cameraman’s camera is pointed directly at the corner of the building. The hose or whatever it is is running through the entire length of the frame and would have been all around her feet in the shooter’s POV.”

          Nope.

          That’s the corner behind/beside where Adam was standing, not the corner that was near where Alison was standing.

          • make edwards

            Thanks Veeter99, I stand corrected. You guys have done a good job. Please understand that we are living in the middle of a Constitutional crisis in our country. We here in the US have come to distrust our leaders. It is also no secret that the Government has been working hand in hand with Hollywood for decades…especially since 9/11. Technology today has made it difficult to distinguish between the real and unreal and evil men will use and abuse technology to achieve whatever agenda they have. I grew up with black and white television and watched the Kennedy assassination. I’m sure you guys are well aware of our history and the covert psyops conducted by those in power. So, try not to get too upset with us. Some of us are and can be reasonable.

          • Veeter99

            Hey, make, I’m right here in America with you and I know what you’re talking about re: Constitutional misconduct (from Prez Zero) and others.

            I have no connection with WideShut whatsoever; I am just following on to all the good investigative work the author of this author did. He thoroughly debunked the hoax believers.

          • make edwards

            Agreed brother.

  • Jim jim

    You don’t have to debunk people who call real events hoaxes, but you do have to debunk people who call hoaxes what they are…hoaxes. It’s an obvious hoax, now move along and go try convincing the lobotomized about your bought and paid for theory.

    • Awesome Blank Avatar

      There’s no solid evidence to even suggest this event actually occurred.
      And given the media’s predisposition (and prior history) for lying (as well as the government), I tend to naturally err on the side of skepticism.
      The government have been trying to grab guns for a while now and suddenly we’re seeing a spate of these so-called ‘random shootings’ one after the other, the last occurring two days after Obama’s meeting with the UN to discuss universal gun control.
      People who automatically believe everything they see on TV are appealing to a fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. They believe what they see because the majority believe what they see, and even when inconsistency and inconsistency has been pointed out to them again and again, their opinion does not budge.
      These people do not understand how the burden of proof works and need come to grips with the fact that if they claim a shooting is real, then the onus rests on them to prove it to the skeptics who have their doubts, NOT the other way around.

      • Veeter99

        “Did we see any casings fly out of that gun? No?”

        Fully addressed in this article.

        “Did we witness Alison dying? No?”

        Do you actually think video of her and/or Adam bleeding out is going to be shown on TV or the internet? It would have to be shot by the dead Adam or the police arriving on the scene, then it would have to be cleared to air. Not gonna happen.

        And some say the shooter would have shot it and posted it on his twitter feed or FB page. Why didn’t he? He had opportunity. He got the shooting vid up, didn’t he?

        This reminds me of those who say the airliner didn’t hit the Pentagon because they didn’t see it. All they got was that one security video that shows that blur, then the explosion.

        I’m certain security video exists showing that plane hitting the Pentagon. But do you think we’d give the jihadis the pleasure of seeing it so they could post it on all their “Death to America” websites?

        No. And that is why you don’t get to see a photo of Alison and/or Adam bleeding out.

        Although, who knows… maybe one day some sicko down at the Roanoke PD will leak it.

        Then what are you gonna do?

        Oh, that’s right… you already thought up your answer; it was faked. Alison and Adam were posed with fake blood on them. And on and on and on.

        You’re chasing windmills.

        I don’t believe everything my government tells me, either. But I don’t DISBELIEVE everything either. Like you guys.

        These hoax theories are based on very thin speculation. Not evidence.

        • Awesome Blank Avatar

          Coincidence theories do not conclusively rule out conspiracy theories.
          Since the government and media have a natural pre-disposition to dishonesty, I think at this stage I’ll stick to my ‘thin speculation’ that too many things just do not add up.

          • Veeter99

            Those things that you say don’t add up have been addressed thoughtfully and intelligently.

            You chose to ignore counterpoints that have been made and not answer them; that is analogous to you sticking your fingers in your ears and running away yelling, “Lalalalalalalalala!!!!”

            Spend some time going back over everything here. Think critically and calmly and consider carefully that “of course coincidence theories do not conclusively rule out conspiracies,” but there might truly not be enough COMPELLING evidence in this case to cause such high levels of suspicion.

            Just give thoughtfulness a chance. Please.

    • Veeter99

      You hoax believers have to prove it didn’t happen. I know that’s tough, but that’s the way it is. One thing that’s going to be really hard is that you’re going to have to prove that the EMT’s and all the doctors and trauma specialists at the hospital where the interviewee was taken were in on it.

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        No, we don’t.
        What you are asserting is no better than a person who believes in God asking me to prove that he doesn’t exist. BERTRANDS TEAPOT.

        Where did you hear about all these EMT’s and doctors etc? TV and Government!
        Now do you remember who sold us operation northwoods and Gulf of Tonkin as well as the war on Iraq? You guessed it. TV and government.

        That’s like telling me that god exists because the bible says so.

        Really? REALLY? You can do better.

        • Veeter99

          “A Bible does not prove the existence of God.”

          And you and your fellow believers’ posts do not prove this was a hoax.

          • Awesome Blank Avatar

            Again you don’t get it. I can’t disprove a negative. The hoax has not been proven to have even happened. It is a negative until proven fact.

          • Veeter99

            You said, “Again you don’t get it. I can’t disprove a negative. The hoax has not been proven to have even happened.”

            You’re obviously having a meltdown. “Disprove a negative?” LOL

            Then “The hoax has not been proven to have even happened.”

            Get some rest. Please. You’re confusing yourself.

            “It is a negative until proven fact.”

            Yeah, the teapot again.

            You don’t have proof this event was HOAXED.

            That’s your negative; NO proof and your lame speculations are NOT an intelligent way to make a case that a hoax occurred.

  • Awesome Blank Avatar

    How can you call this a “debunk”?

    You have posted your own speculations as ‘evidence’ that this event actually occurred when so many things just do not add up.

    Firstly, this shooting was never proven to have actually occurred. In the absence of proof of such, it is not our responsibility to prove that it didn’t however let’s ignore Bertrand’s Teapot for a moment and what seems to be a primary appeal to argumentum ad populum.

    With regards to your alleged “debunk”:

    1. The alleged assailant was supposedly no longer employed by WDBJ as he was harassing and stalking people (Alison and a few others).
    So how did he come to know of Alison’s whereabouts on that particular day when everyone at the TV station knew of his antics?

    2. You try to assert that at the point where Alison turned her head slightly to the side and noticed the “assailant”, he was not wielding his pistol.
    Given how brazen he was to have walked up within several feet of her to just stand there and record her, what makes you think he wasn’t wielding his pistol in clear view at this stage just because his camera happens to not be focused on it? He was a madman right? He obviously didn’t care whether or not he was seen with a pistol because he marched right up to her, an unarmed completely vulnerable woman that he was allegedly stalking in broad daylight.

    3.The way she calmly glances in his direction and then returns to her interview is not a natural reaction to being surprised by a stalker. I should know. I have been stalked.
    Her facial expression doesn’t change at all. Ward isn’t even focusing on her at this point either.

    4. No bullet casings can be seen ejecting from the gun.

    5. She (Alison) was allegedly shot at point blank with 3-4 hollow point bullets in the torso region. Sure, a person may be able to take one or two normal bullets at close range but hollow points? Pull the other one.
    They expand outwards and explode. She would have at least been knocked backwards or lost her balance. Her clothing would have been torn. There are no exit or entry wounds. Strange, given the nature of those bullets.
    If you slow Vester’s footage down 30x, it is clear that the gunman’s line of fire would have resulted in at least 3 direct hits at point blank range.
    Alison doesn’t flinch or even drop her mic.

    6. Why would the father move straight onto advocating for better gun control when the problem doesn’t appear to be guns, it appears to have been a news network that didn’t act on the seriousness of this guy’s behaviour sooner and take real steps to protect their employees from someone with obvious psychological issues.
    I would be asking how he came to know of Alison’s whereabouts on that particular day in the first place!

    7. In the pictures where you claim Hurst is showing emotion, all I see is a man screwing his face up. I can do that too without losing a loved one.
    What sort of evidence is this?

    • Veeter99

      You said, “Firstly, this shooting was never proven to have actually occurred. In the absence of proof of such, it is not our responsibility to prove that
      it didn’t.”

      No, you’re wrong. It’s up to you hoax believers to prove it didn’t take place. And you’re gonna have to face the extremely difficult task of proving that the EMT’s and all the doctors and trauma specialists at the hospital where the interviewee was taken were in on it.

      Next, you asked, “So how did he come to know of Alison’s whereabouts on that particular day when everyone at the TV station knew of his antics?”

      He knew she was on the morning team and all he had to do was look at the TV. If you’ve ever watched a local morning show, you know that the in-studio anchors announce the upcoming segments well in advance… “Coming up… Alison will be at ________ talking with ____________ and we’ll be going there live to see what she has to say.”

      Then you ask, “…what makes you think he wasn’t wielding his pistol in clear view at this stage just because his camera happens to not be focused on it?”

      If you saw the entire shooter video, you saw him aim the pistol at her fairly early, then withdraw it when he noticed the videographer was aiming the camera at the interview; he was scanning the entire plaza. So it’s very logical that the shooter removed the pistol from view until the camera moved back to film the interview. Sure, he was a madman, but he wasn’t going to miss the chance to have the shooting on live TV. If he had the gun out when she looked at him, she would have run and his plan would have been foiled.

      Next, you said, “No bullet casings can be seen ejecting from the gun.”

      This was covered extensively and intelligently in the article. It appears you have chosen to ignore it.

      Your objection #5 is also covered in the article. What you said has not refuted it.

      Re: your last two, the reactions of a grieving father are probably different in almost every case like this. Focus on the other points if you’re going to try to refute this article and prove this was a hoax.

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        No. You don’t understand how the burden of proof works.
        Are you familiar with Bertrand’s Teapot?

        The original claim is that Alison was murdered on live tv. This is what we are being expected to believe.

        We saw no bullet casings ejecting from that gun. We don’t witness Alison dying or even being wounded.
        Prove to me that she was shot with hollow point bullets and prove to me that she is deceased.

        • Veeter99

          BS. I guarantee you that many, many police and emergency responders saw those two bodies. THEY are proof those two were killed. And how many EMTs and doctors and trauma specialists at the hospital do you think saw the interviewee and worked to save her life? Also, wasn’t she married? How about extended family? You’re claiming probably close to 100 people had to be shushed up. Complete BS.

          Also, I saw news reports that the shooter said he was planning to use hollow points and have the initials of the Charleston 9 engraved on them, but I never heard after the shooting that’s what he used. Plus, 9mm doesn’t have “knockdown” power.

          • Awesome Blank Avatar

            “BS. I guarantee you that many, many police and emergency responders saw those two bodies. THEY are proof those two were killed”
            Anecdotal evidence? Ok, you’ve sold me. LOL.
            Based on everything you’ve just said, we can probably conclude that any Hollywood production we’ve ever seen represents reality.
            I saw a room that looked like a hospital on TV. There were patients. Must be a hospital! ROFL
            Yeah, and Andy Parker really worked in a hospital too. I saw him staring in a blood donor ad with people who looked like patients.
            He must REALLY be a doctor because I saw it on TV lol.

            Re: hollow point bullets. Alson’s “father” claims she was shot with hollow point bullets. Maybe you should take up your doubts with him ;)

          • Veeter99

            Uh huh. I’m not referring to anecdotal evidence. That would be if *I* was an EMT and saw the bodies, but nice try.

            Now. You have failed the extremely difficult task of proving that the EMT’s and all the doctors and trauma specialists at the hospital where the interviewee was taken were IN ON THE COVERUP.

            You’re saying you believe Alison’s father on the hollowpoints and that makes it a fact? LOL. I love how easy you are.

            You said, “Alison was not married. She was in a SECRET relationship with Chris Hurst for 9 months and planning marriage according to him.”

            If you’ll read my post carefully, you’ll see I wasn’t referring to Alison being married. I was clearly referring to “the interviewee.”

            But being “careful” is not one of your strong points. Jumping to conclusions and going off half-cocked is, though, huh?

          • Awesome Blank Avatar

            You are quoting hearsay which was presented on television as undisputed fact.
            Prove to me that each and every person you claim saw these bodies is a real EMT.

          • Veeter99

            You said, “You are quoting hearsay which was presented on television as undisputed fact.”

            Hearsay? Undisputed fact? It’s obviously disputed, thanks to you and others like you. Show me some evidence this was a hoax. Until then you’re just guessing.

            Next you say, “Prove to me that each and every person you claim saw these bodies is a real EMT.”

            How do YOU know EMT’s were called to the scene? I’m sure that once the cameras were turned off and they rushed all the “actors” out of there and poured some fake blood everywhere, they all had a big laugh and went to Waffle House.

            Get over yourself. You’ve got NOTHING.

          • Awesome Blank Avatar

            What hospital? How do you know the footage was shot at a hospital? Were you there? How do you know these people were real doctors and not hired actors?
            Andy Parker is an Actor. Chris Hurst is also an actor. Do you want to guess who else is an actor? Alison Parker AND her ex boyfriend!
            So how’s that for a string of coincidences huh?
            I’d have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that anybody who is involved in this saga is actually NOT an actor.

          • Veeter99

            You said, “What hospital? How do you know the footage was shot at a hospital? Were
            you there? How do you know these people were real doctors and not hired
            actors?”

            Where did I mention I saw footage of a hospital?

            Then you said, “Andy Parker is an Actor. Chris Hurst is also an actor. Do you want to
            guess who else is an actor? Alison Parker AND her ex boyfriend!”

            Lots of people are amateur actors. If something like this is enough to cause your skepticism meter to go off the scale, you’re going to be living a very long, very paranoid life.

            I think that last car that drove by your house slowed down a bit. You might want to check on getting some bodyguards.

            Make sure they’re not actors, though. You want real bodyguards.

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        Bertrands Teapot dictates that you cannot prove a negative.
        People dressed as doctors on TV do not prove anything.
        As we’ve already seen, Andy Parker played the part of a doctor for a blood donor AD. The media is in the business of selling you products, not necessarily the truth.
        In fact media and government have a sordid history of colluding to sell the people lies. What do you think Operation Mockingbird is?
        You say I need evidence? Go ahead and try to sell me your story again.

        • Veeter99

          I’m not challenging you to prove a negative. I’m challenging you to prove a positive; that a hoax took place.

          BTW, you haven’t responded to any of the counterpoints I made. I took the time to respond to your points thoughtfully.

          If you don’t respond to my counterpoints with equal care, you’re essentially admitting I took your points down.

  • Sharon

    Look a little harder… The wood slats where Adam is lying and all the way under they canopy where Alison runs off to are all running the same direction…. Now go look at the video of the shooting, Alison runs off under the same so called area but in the video the slats where she runs are running the opposite direction…That’s what the hell I am talking about and anyone who can see the discrepancy is either blind or a total buffoon.

    • Veeter99

      Look in the shooter’s video (in the article) that is below the label “Slowed Down:” and you’ll see. Beginning at the post supporting the roof, there is a diagonal line running toward the building. On Alison’s side of that line, the boards run perpendicular to the railing. On the other side of the line, they run parallel to the railing.

      Also, in your photo here, if you look between the vertical railing supports on the right side of the roof support, you can see the the gaps between those boards running parallel to the railing in the foreground before the shadow of the railing. You can even see that diagonal line where the two areas are joined.

      • AWOL1233

        You just proved Sharon is irrefutably CORRECT. The deck boards run in OPPOSITE directions from the clean up photo to the video you cited. Wow, thanks for proving this was a HOAX. Wouldnt have been able to be so convinced until I saw your examples that this was a 100% HOAX. Now whats your deal, are you a paid disinfo agent?

        • Veeter99

          OK, you’re NOT going to like this because it shows how you’re wrong.

          Look in the “cleanup photo” above.

          The post to the right of those two men on the top deck is the post that was behind Alison while she was doing the interview.

          Let your eye move to where that post intersects the deck.

          Now let your eye move toward the building. One of the boards pointed in that direction is lighter than the others. The board to the right of it is the board that most likely intersects the post.

          Now look at all the boards to the right of that board.

          Boom. They’re running perpendicular to the railing and the building like the boards on one side of the diagonal line in the SHOOTER’S video under the “SLOWED DOWN” heading.

          And like I said, if you look between the vertical rail supports (in the cleanup photo) to the right of that sheet of paper or whatever it is, you can see the boards in the foreground are running parallel to the railing.

          And that reinforces the point that there has to be a diagonal joining of the planks.

          See, that wasn’t so hard, was it?

    • make edwards

      Sharon, I see exactly what you’re talking about. This one is confusing…I can’t think of a logical reason why they would change out the entire deck though. Perhaps we can’t see where the deck boards change direction from this angle…different sun angle? I don’t know.

      • Shari Peterson

        Or it is what you and so many don’t want to admit.

        • Veeter99

          Read my post (to Sharon) just below yours here.

          TRY to understand it as you refer to the photos.

          Then TRY to respond in an intelligent manner.

          • AWOL1233

            Veeter I read your post to Sharon. You are completely incorrect and your post to view the “slow down” version shows exactly the opposite of what you are lying about. Look at the PIC above in Sharons comment. See the boards under the awning run perpendicular. The video you refer to as your explanation clearly show the boards running parallel. My goodness you even provide Sharon irrefutable evidence that she is correct. Whats up with you bro. You a paid disinfo agent. Any normal child or adult can look at Sharons Pic and watch the Video you cite above and tell you these are NOT the same boards on the deck. Wow.

          • Veeter99

            So, in the “Slowed Down” SHOOTER’S video you don’t see the diagonal line running from the post behind Alison towards the building and that the boards on each side of this diagonal line are running in opposite directions?

  • Sharon

    I don’t need to go find the video again,,,I am using a picture right off this site. This is where Alisons body was found. which is under the awning where she ran ..In the aerial shot that I posted that was used by the media you can clearly see that these are 2 different decks…Another thing wrong with this photo is Alison supposedly died of a shot to the head and chest. The report said the owner of the restaurant changed out the wood because of the blood,,,,,are you kidding me??? That is all the blood from a head and chest wound????? And who removes evidence within 24 hrs of a crime scene????? I think not…..

    • Veeter99

      Look in the shooter’s video (in the article) that is below the label
      “Slowed Down:” and you’ll see the boards running in two different directions just the other side of where Alison is standing. Beginning at the post supporting the roof, there is a diagonal line running toward the building. On Alison’s
      side of that line, the boards run perpendicular to the railing. On the
      other side of the line, they run parallel to the railing.

      Also, in your photo below of the aerial view of that decking, if you look between the vertical railing supports on the right side of the roof support, you can see the the gaps between those boards running parallel to the railing in the foreground before the shadow of the railing.

      You can even see that diagonal line where the two areas are joined if you look between the 4th and 5th vertical railing supports to the right of the white thing that is to the right ofthe post.

      • Shari Peterson

        However the clean up crew photos show boards running the opposite direction right here, not the long way but the short way.

        • Veeter99

          What are you talking about when you refer to “the clean up crew photos?”

          If you’re referring to the aerial photo below, and you’ve read what I said just above your post, you’re obviously having reading comprehension problems.

    • AWOL1233

      Sharon, your awesome. Irrefutable proof right in VEETER (or maybe he is Keeland) face and still wont admit to what his eyes show him. PICTURES DONT LIE. This was a staged event. Man Veeter may have had too much flouride in his diet.

      • Veeter99

        Read my post below. Somehow, it appears you are choosing to remain uninformed.

        Then try to respond intelligently.

  • JHOT 247

    well stated, the media is so full of shit, and the assholes working for them are lower than whale shit, they are all educated too, so they consciously know what they are pumping to us daily, so they are traitors too. The gay agenda is in full force along with the emasculation of the male, so nothing can stand up against what’s coming down, no men, no community, completley divided and conquered land, and now these shootings are becoming a trend, they are itching to take our guns, they are destabilizing the country because the US is almost done it’s job (conquering the rest of the middle east through our armed forces) to standardize the globe into 1 grid, new world order grid, and people here have their head so far up their ass, when they pull the plug on the US, and it’s coming soon, they ‘ll be totally unprepared and in shock at the savage that’s coming, all those people that tried telling them and they called em conspiracy nuts, they’ll be pissing their pants

  • Awesome Blank Avatar

    The moderator admits that he does not believe the official story of 9/11, but he mockingly refers to us as “truthers” while his whole ‘debunk’ of WDBJ hoax theories consists solely of grasping at straws.

    Sorry but this screams DisInfo to me.

    • Veeter99

      EVERYTHING screams disinfo to you.

      Tell me about the Boston Marathon bombing; I guess that was faked, right?

      How about us landing on the moon in July 1969?

      Fukishima?

      Ohio State winning the NCAA championship?

      • Awesome Blank Avatar

        Yet anyone who questions the government (who have a sordid history for dishonesty) screams “strait jacket warranted” to you.

        • Veeter99

          Nope. Didn’t say nor imply that.

          Paranoid much?

          Now about that moon landing. What’s your take on it?

      • Shari Peterson

        Regarding the Boston bombing, the supposed perpetrator’s backpack didn’t even MATCH THE ONE FOUND AT THE SCENE…BUT SOME GUYS ALL DRESSED THE SAME, ONE OF WHICH HAD A BACKPACK AND THEN SUDDENLY DIDN’T AS HE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE SCENE, DID have a backpack that matched the one at the scene.

        Yeah nothing to see here.

        • Veeter99

          Do you have some links and/or vids to back those claims up?

  • Shari Peterson

    I guess this webber hasn’t seen the “clean up crew” shots yet where there is no police tape AND the direction of the wood planks on the floor DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOOTER VIDEO. Explain that.

    • Veeter99

      Post some links to these cleanup crew shots. I’d love to see them.

      • AWOL1233

        Here is one angle but for some strange reason the other angle which shows the planks going the opposite direction from a different aerial angle is not on the google search any longer. I will try to find it VEETER99 but yes indeed the planks do run the opposite direction of the video. See for yourself. Its even appearant in this picture however the other angle gives you an even longer view where Alison ran down the deck.

        • Veeter99

          So, are you just choosing to ignore what I’ve said in several posts about the diagonal line running from the corner post to the building CLEARLY showing the planks running two different directions on either side of it?

          It’s shown above in the SHOOTER’S video posted under the heading “Slowed Down.”

          • AWOL1233

            Come on now VEETER. Why dont you look for yourself. You make NO SENSE at all. Would you care to take another look and explain the deck boards running perpindicular below and parallel in the video LMAO. I suppose you wont have an explanation for this other than yuor usual disinformation.

          • Veeter99

            It’s obvious that you have trouble concentrating long enough to read something longer than a few sentences.

            If you’ll read what I said to you carefully and look at the photos and videos I referred to, you should be able to understand. If you’re too stupid to do that, get someone who has built a deck or two to show you what I’m talking about.

            So far, the most of what you’ve done here is try to accuse me of being the author of the article or a shill disinfo agent.

            That’s typical of people who have no intelligent responses; they’d rather wimp out like a 12 year old and start trying to change the subject.

          • AWOL1233

            No I don’t SEE IT NOW Veeter because all I can see are perpendicular boards which I have told you over and over and over again and any child looking can see they are perpendicular. do you have an explanation as to how the FBI SWAT and ATF were in Kelli Holdmeier apartment guns drawn at 7:01am and said they found the suspects shoes and pants under her balcony. 15 minutes after the “shooting”

          • Veeter99

            You’re an idiot, AWOL. Either that, or you always have about 9 beers in you when you come here.

            I proved you wrong when I lined up the yellow dots on the photo following that board from the roof support post to the corner of the building.

            You’re done, dude. If you’re thinking of yourself as leading the charge here for the hoax believers, you need to notice how they’re not coming to help you out.

            There’s a reason for that.

      • AWOL1233

        Here

  • Sharon

    I know there are 2 sections,,,,the aerial shot and the videos proof they are 2 different decks…..You can say they are 2 sections till your blue in the face,,,I get that but they are not the same 2 sections in the videos and the aerial picture..

    • Veeter99

      Yes they are the same two sections. Read more of my comments and have a much closer and careful look at the photos I mention.

  • Truthseeker

    Wow, this author gets destroyed in these comments!

    • Veeter99

      You’re either very stupid and/or have poor reading comprehension skills, you haven’t read through very many of the comments, or you’re a troll.

      Come back and comment again if you want to clear things up.

      As of right now, I’m thinking “troll” is most likely.

      • Erin Anderson

        Veeter99, how much is the author paying you? Everyone knows this was a fake shooting, based on the evidence. Also, if you see Andy Parker tell him that his anti-gun agenda will not succeed and also tell him that he needs to go back to acting school.

        • Veeter99

          No one is paying me anything. See my long post above.

          “EVERYONE knows…?”

          Are you 12?

          BTW, I agree with you on the anti-gun agenda never being successful, as I have already said.

    • AWOL1233

      Totally destroyed. I am now off the Keelan Kool Aid. I did like a couple of his pieces but now realize he is a DisInfo Shill. Sad but true.

      • Veeter99

        It’s easy to just say “destroyed,” but it’s not easy to intelligently refute the points in the article (or my replies here).

        You’re always welcome to try.

        Until then, you’re just another lame protester with a sign trying to yell out a slogan.

  • Anderson Pooper

    NO BRASS IS EJECTED! Look at the video of “The Shots” (it’s a little before half way through this article as this disinfo agent of an author calls it) close up, in slow motion. Clear as day, NO BRASS IS EJECTED. It’s obviously a PROP gun. End of discussion.

    • Veeter99

      You just looked at the pictures and didn’t read the text, didn’t you?

      Awwwww, bless your itty bitty little heart; that would just be toooo hard, wouldn’t it?

      Here, I found the part you missed for you:
      ====================
      Likewise most real life shooting videos also don’t seem to pick up
      the presence of shell casings, so there’s nothing unique about that
      either. Cameras are often not at a frame rate high enough to capture
      them being ejected at high speeds. Also remember we’re seeing the shots
      from the shooter’s perspective. Shell casings often fly behind, to the
      feet, or to either side of the shooter. There’s no reason why we should
      see them pinging out in front, especially if they are ejected to the
      right (like most Glocks) because the gun is so close to the right hand
      side of the screen and the camera angle is to the left of the gun.

      This is why so called comparison videos made by truthers are
      disingenuous. They’ll show a perfectly captured and slowed down video of
      a gun being fired with a good angle on the ejection, and then compare
      it with the low quality vertical clip of this incident where half the
      time the shooter’s hand is almost out of view and we don’t even see the
      right hand side where the casings would be ejected.
      ====================
      Drop back and punt, Mr. Pooper. You can have the ball back soon. LOL

      • Anderson Pooper

        Nice try… You can filibuster the the question all you want but all your bumbling does not refute the fact that no brass is ejected in the video. Any intelligent person worth their salt can see that no brass is ejected on THE FIRST SHOT IN PLAIN VIEW.

        BTW: Who is Daniel Wulz? Google him and see his Facebook. Then reply.

        Get a real job, paid shill is not your forte. 1 fact plain and simple. No brass ejection =’s prop gun.

        • Veeter99

          I’m not a paid shill and I’m not filibustering.

          Where are your objective counterpoints to the two paragraphs I quoted/pasted from the article?

          Wait. Did I say objective?

          SMH.

          But you’re always welcome to try again.

          How much of the article did you actually read? Just curious.

    • AWOL1233

      It is a prop gun. They have vieos now showing the exact prop gun with the exact same flash payload (the real gun is also shot with hollow points and did NOT light up like a Forest Fire.) The real gun would not shoot the flames out and WOULD eject shells. This was an obvious prop gun.

  • Chris Spry

    AMEN and of course the “Troofers” are here to debunk your debunk. They really know no ends, do they? There’s a lot of mental illness in this country.

    • Erin Anderson

      Exposing this fake shooting is the right thing to do. Mental illness is believing that this fake shooting was real.

      • Veeter99

        So far, you have done ZERO to expose this as a hoax.

        Can you change that?

        You can’t if you don’t try.

        Continuing to say it’s a hoax without backing up your claim intelligently is not helping your case.

        • Erin Anderson

          How much are they paying you? Are you receiving money from one of Mike Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups?

          • Veeter99

            What? Are you still accusing me of that? Zero… and no.

            You haven’t read my reply to your “Veeter99 works for Keelan Balderson. Both are shills” post yet?

            Good grief. Look up the page a bit. I took time to explain and it seems you just can’t take 25 seconds to read it.

            Please give it a read… by ignoring it, you’re missing how much I agree with you.

  • Erin Anderson

    Veeter99 works for Keelan Balderson. Both are shills.

    • AWOL1233

      You are totally right Erin. I noticed that as well. Just removed anything Keelan is involved with from my bookmarks and YT channels. I had no idea until this report that he was a Disinfo Agent. Man this article and his defense of it and this VEETER dude made me 180 degree spin away from thinking Keelan was doing some good work.

      • Veeter99

        BS. I’m in no way a disinfo agent nor connected to this website or the author.

        You’re just whining and claiming I’m part of the conspiracty because you can’t come up with intelligent arguments to refute the article or the points I have made.

        Try harder. It will make you a better advocate for truth.

    • Veeter99

      Erin, you said, “Veeter99 works for Keelan Balderson. Both are shills.”

      See, this is where you and your fellow hoax believers lose credibility. Instead of discussing the counterpoints I’ve made to some of your objections to the contents of the article, you wimp out and fall back on saying I’m part of the conspiracy.

      I’m not a paid shill. I would never do such a thing. I have no connection to this website or Mr. Balderson.

      I’m more in allegiance with you than you think. I’m a VERY ardent 2nd Amendment rights advocate and am also sick and tired of Prez Zero and other members of his administration attempting to use every sicko shooting as a platform to campaign for tighter restrictions on firearms and ammo.

      I would be right in there with you in these comments saying this is a staged shooting if there were obvious, verifiable components of this thing that would cause me to seriously doubt that the events happened they way they’ve been presented.

      But I don’t see them IN THIS CASE. I also don’t see that any of you have successfully refuted any of the analysis in this article.

      Try to stop seeing a conspiracy in everything that you come into contact with and expend your energy intelligently working on some decent counterpoints to what people like me are saying.

      If all you do is try to include those who disagree with you in your theories, you just seem like a teenager who doesn’t want to do their homework, so they whine and say they shouldn’t have so much homework.

      Do the work. Look at the photos of the decking like I’ve said. Don’t just say “you’re wrong,” if you want to be taken seriously.

      Can’t you see that?

      Seriously, I’m with you on the big picture. I KNOW the government would love to take up all the firearms, or MAKE us turn them in.

      I also know that will never happen. It would take decades, and I know if they came to get mine, I’d find a way to replace them by buying them off the street.

      • Erin Anderson

        Tell Mike Bloomberg, it doesn’t matter how much money he throws at his gun control agenda, he will NEVER win. The Second Amendment will remain strong.

        • Veeter99

          Still think I’m a paid shill, or have you figured out that you formed your opinion too quickly?

  • AWOL1233

    Keelan just turned me into a Conspiracy Theorist. Wow watching this video and the subsequent discussion proved to me that these hoaxes are Govt sponsored and Fake as a $3 bill. And Keeland must be one of the paid shills. Sad Sad Sad but Glad Glad Glad it took this to show me the light. Never again will I believe the Main Stream Media. All the world really is a stage for the Elite behind the Curtain.

  • the dave

    Here’s the thing. You obviously spent a lot of time sorting all this out – and it may be that you make good points – but the bottom line for me is that – I don’t trust the media or their motives – so even though it looks like there may be explanations for certain points – I STILL THINK IT IS A FALSE FLAG because every act of terror in the US has been shown to be one. They may be getting better at covering tracks or obfuscating things to fool people – but based on experience, I believe it is a setup and a lie.

    • Veeter99

      That’s a very unintelligent way to approach trying to get at the truth.

      But hey, putting stuff in all caps and not even trying are good ways to convince yourself that you’re right, huh?

  • Joe Schmo

    WOW! Thank you for showing the first shot in slow motion where EVERYONE can see that no shell casing is ejected from this prop gun. What an obvious HOAX!

    • Veeter99

      I answered/refuted the shell casings thing in my reply to Mr. Billingsworth above.

      Not an obvious hoax at all.

  • Eyes Wide Open

    Facial recognition software found Alison Parker online with HER REAL BOYFRIEND but has since been scrubbed.. His name is Daniel Wulz. This other clown going on television with his 5 pictures in a photo album is just her TV boyfriend. SOME OF THE PICTURES WERE TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF DANIEL WULZ’S FACEBOOK.. HAHAHAHAA What an obvious false flag.
    Google Daniel Wulz and see for yourself.

    • Veeter99

      Eyes Wide Open, you’re just another goober who didn’t read this entire article.

      This subject was covered; Daniel Wulz is Alison’s EX-boyfriend and it’s old news that he had pictures of himself and Alison on his FB page.

      Oops.

      Awkward for you.

  • Jon Prophet

    Holy shit, #Eyes Wide Open is right.. There is a whole article online about Daniel Wulz. What the f**k is going on here?????? Daniel Wulz see for yourself.
    And now that it has been mentioned, there is no shell casing ejected on the first shot in plain view!

    • Veeter99

      Eyes Wide Open is NOT right. You aren’t, either.

      Each of you is just another lazy poster who didn’t read this entire article.

      This subject was covered; Daniel Wulz is Alison’s EX-boyfriend and it’s old
      news that he had pictures of himself and Alison on his FB page.

      Oops.

      VERY awkward for you guys, huh?

      • Jon Prophet

        How is that awkward??? You DID NOT cover Daniel Wulz at all in your article. It was never mentioned by anyone until #AndersonPooper in the comments.. Awkward for you maybe. Just because you said, “it’s been covered.” Does not mean it has been covered. You haven’t mentioned it once until it was brought up in the comments section. Regardless, these people who comment about no shell casing on the first shot are completely right.. Look again on the first shot, there is no brass ejected.. WOW! Case closed after that.. The hell with the boyfriends.. No brass means its a prop theater gun. WOWSERS!

        • Veeter99

          I don’t know why you’re calling it my article. It’s not.

          But the Daniel Wulz thing WAS covered in the “Was Chris Hurst Really Alison Parker’s Boyfriend” section. It’s next the next to last section as the article now stands.

          Also, Wulz has responded to that Peekay22 troll on his blog.

          It went something like this:

          Daniel Wulz said… Hey there, one at a time.

          “Your Facebook page is still down.. The only one that comes up is the one out of Germany!”

          A: No it’s not. I’ve just hidden it because I’ve been harassed and bombarded my skeptics for the last three days and I don’t have the energy to keep up or be insulted. I’ve been called every ugly name in the book for no reason at all, other than the fact that I was in love with Alison.
          PS: There are multiple Daniel Wulzs. You probably found a different guy in Germany with my name There was also a Daniel Cantor Wulz who died a few years back that might pop up on your searches. He’s not me either.

          “WHY have you not come forward until now???”

          A:I have come forward. I’ve been answering questions on Youtube for days. Just because you haven’t seen them doesn’t mean I haven’t been around.

          “Your input into this fiasco could end the crooked MSM and the Jewish dream of using this fraud Hurst character as their poster boy for gun control once and for all! And possibly unravel this entire sad affair…”

          A: My input would do nothing because I know her death to be a fact and that there is no conspiracy here. She was taken from us tragically. Also, Chris was in fact her boyfriend at the time of her death. I know that to be true. He and Andy have been very anti-gun for a long time, as long as I’ve known them. Nothing you can do about that.

          “I googled soldier Daniel Wulz. I too said they were in ‘Israel’ somewhere just before I read your word ‘kibbutz’!!!”

          A: I wasn’t a soldier. I was a Marine for four years between 2009 and 2013. I spent 13 months in Afghanistan.

          ==============
          So yeah, it IS awkward for you guys.

          And I answered/refuted the shell casings thing in my reply to Mr. Billingsworth above.

    • Joe Conrad

      He definitely is. This raises so many awkward questions for defenders of this article!

  • Sir Billingsworth

    The first shot in slow motion shows no shell casing ejected. Looks like a Hollywood prop gun. Mr. Veeter, how can you explain the fact in slow motion, in clear view, there is no shell casing ejected. They do not eject at the speed of light and if it were a real gun a shell casing would eject on the right. This seems to be the only fact that you cannot refute and seem to gloss over with some long bullshit answer when all one needs to do is view the first shot, in slow motion, in clear view. There is NO casing ejected. That’s all Mr. Veeter. First shot, slow motion, in view, no shell casing.

    • Veeter99

      “This seems to be the only fact that you cannot refute…”

      Cool. So you’re saying I’ve successfully refuted all the hoax theorists’s objections (you incorrectly refer to these objections as “facts”) except the one about the shell casings? I’ll gladly take your congratulations on covering/refuting all those other objections.

      But hey, I’ll gladly blow this one out of the water, too.

      “They do not eject at the speed of light … First shot, slow motion, in view, no shell casing.”

      Of course they don’t eject at the speed of light, but it’s a blurry, low frame rate, low resolution camera phone video. Do you know what “low frame rate” and “low resolution” mean? Plus, this moron was holding his camera vertically, so there’s even LESS resolution available. If you need help understanding why all that affected the ability, ask someone who knows a lot about cameras.

      The article covered the FACT that it’s no surprise the ejection of the shell casing wasn’t captured with all these factors working against it.

      And here’s one more thing for you to ponder on; if the shell didn’t eject, how did the second shot happen? And the third? That first shell HAD to eject, or the other rounds couldn’t have fired.

      Boom. My work is done. If I were in your town, we could have a beer together. This puppy has been put to bed.

      • Sir Billingsworth

        I don’t care about all the other “facts” as you call them. I can boil this down to one single argument. The fact that there is no shell casing ejected means it is a prop gun so as you say the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th shot CAN happen as it is a fake gun. BOOM, my work is done. I wouldn’t have a beer with you period. Of course you would blame the video is fuzzy, blurry, low frame rate BULLSHIIIIT. Anyone can see if a shell is ejected, nice try again but you keep getting owned by this 1 fact. PROP GUN! Have a nice day sir.

        • Veeter99

          The fact that it’s a blurry, low frame rate, low resolution camera phone video is not BS.

          It is a fact and it has everything to do with why we don’t see the casing being ejected.

          I don’t know if you looked at those videos up above of Glocks firing, but you can’t even see the shell casing come out every time in them, and they’re high quality videos.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        wow i don’t care how shitty your camera is you still see the shell castings LOL

  • Poor Richard

    Craft must be at charge for clothes, but truth can go naked.

  • blotwothehead doe

    why was this interview live?

  • livedwell

    I don’t believe it was a hoax but within minutes of finding out Alison was dead her Dad (an actor) comes on pushing gun control and her boyfriend announces they’ve had a “secret” romance. Look at her previous boyfriend Daniel Wulz then look at this guy – no way. I think she broke up with Daniel and moved in with “friend” Chris until she got settled. Chris saw an opportunity for himself when this happened. Even her Dad looked stunned when Chris started pushing the romance – then they started to play off one another. Chris used this romance as a front and probably made the scrapbook himself. I DO NOT BELIEVE he is the boyfriend.

    • Veeter99

      They didn’t have a secret romance. They had moved in together.

      And if you’re going by the Chris’s looks (as compared to Daniel’s) to bolster your opinion that she wasn’t into him, that’s just not a valid line of reasoning. Just because a woman is pretty doesn’t mean she’s never going to pick a guy YOU don’t think is in her league.

      This can’t be the first time you’ve seen a beautiful woman pick an average looking guy. It happens all the time.

  • Steven Mitchell

    Holy Moly…! There is no casing ejected on the first shot…! I have just been converted.

    • Veeter99

      It’s a blurry, low frame rate, low resolution camera phone video.

      And that has everything to do with why we don’t see the casing being ejected.

      I don’t know if you looked at those videos up above of Glocks firing, but
      you can’t even see the shell casing come out every time in them, and
      they’re high quality videos.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    feel sorry for you Keelan Balderson the camera mans footage does not match the gun mans footage GOOD LUCK WITH THAT DEBUNK

    • Veeter99

      The footages DO match.

      It’s *not* two separate takes; you’re not looking closely enough. The fact that it’s not two separate takes is most clearly seen in the slower videos (but it can be seen in regular speed vids also); when Ms. Parker is making her last and most noticeable nod in the cameraman’s video, her face is not even visible in the shooter’s video. It is out of frame.

      Plus, all her other body movements *after* the shooting starts are identical as seen in the regular speed video.

      Watch the synched up videos 10 times or more; you should be able see it. I wish the shooter’s video wasn’t as fuzzy and wobbly; it would be more obvious.

      If you still can’t see it on your own, it would probably help if you’d get somebody to watch the two videos WITH you. Have the other person say “NOD” at the precise moment when she nods in the cameraman’s video while you’re watching the shooter video. That may be the only way you’ll be able to tell that her head is OUT OF FRAME in the shooter’s video during the nod.

  • Boing

    Good article & good analysis. the shooters hand colour looks iffy but no hoax here.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    shitty analysis, camera man video and gun man video do not match in sight or sound why is that Boing?????

    • Veeter99

      Keep reading down through the comments. You’ll see that this has been successfully addressed.

      • AWOL1233

        Self proclaimed “successfully addressed” lmao

        • Veeter99

          You haven’t successfully refuted them yet, so keep laughing, dude.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    This is a Hollywood production period nothing makes sense

    • Veeter99

      Read down through the comments. Go far into them. Those who tried to debunk the debunk have been unable to make valid counterpoints. Many of them just give up, begin asserting that those who disagree with them MUST be part of the conspiracy, thereby losing all credibility.

      • Guest

        Read through the comments. Go far into them and your concerns will be validated. This is a hoax. This is my opinion based on the evidence presented in the comments and article.

        Veeter99 who is likely Keelan Balderson, have largely ignored many counterpoints. Read through the comments, and the responses and you will notice many of them have been responded to with “this has been debunked” or the “footages do match.” Time and time again in the comments, very clear points will be dismissed or met with “not debunked.” This seems very evident in the question of whether the footage lines up or not, or the question of the ejected bullet casings.

        Are the victims boyfriend and father actors? Who knows, but I definitely do not believe them. Remember that an actor functions as someone who is supposed to be believable, and these two just are not to me, and the dialogue definitely does not seem natural. That is an opinion. You are free to have your own.

        I do not believe there is evidence that the bullet casing was ejected after the first shot in the footage. I do not think the footage shows this. This however is a weak argument on its own. There is a lot of evidence that is weak on its own, but together starts to build something. This is evident if you read through the article and comments.

        All that matters is that those who read through the article and comments decide for themselves what is happening. Do not let any of the comments here make up your opinion for you. One person even writes very clearly “Look and decide for yourself” and he is responded to with “What is your point?” These kinds of outrageous responses lose all credibility.

        If you read this whole article and the comments and believe the hoax has been debunked, then that is what you believe. If you read the article and the comments and do not believe that, then I am in agreement with you. None of it matters though and it may as well have been real at this point, because there is nothing anyone can do.

        • Veeter99

          “Veeter99 who is likely Keelan Balderson…”

          There it is again. This throws you into “he must be part of the conspiracy since he doesn’t agree with me” territory and should cause thinking people to question your judgment.

          I have stated numerous times here that I am in no way connected to the author of this article or this website. Mr. Balderson obviously doesn’t need my help to make his points.

          A friend in San Diego told me he thought this was a hoax shooting and sent me a link. I watched it and then did some searching, which led me to other videos and to here. Since then, I have been replying and discussing the points.

          Yes, people can and will decide for themselves, but as I have shown, in most cases the objections raised by the hoax believers here have not successfully debunked the points made in the article.

          I agree with you when you say, “I do not believe there is evidence that the bullet casing was ejected after the first shot in the footage. I do not think the footage shows this.” That is absolutely true, but that is not the point, because the absence of a visible ejection of the casing does NOT mean there was NO ejection because it is an extremely poor, low res, low frame rate cellphone video, as I pointed out.

          And it is borne out that you agree with ME in your next statement: “This however is a weak argument on its own.”

          I have ignored very few of the hoax believers’ objections. I have concentrated mostly on the ones that are easily shown to be invalid and I believe the article itself is solid and refutes the others if people will approach this whole thing with an open mind like I did. My replies on the ones concerning the direction of the planking have stood and have not been successfully refuted.

        • Chester

          WOW. You totally nailed Veeter with this! The comments clearly debunk this crazy article-at least I think so, lol. You are right, readers need to decide for themselves if they think this article debunks anything. I think the comments speak for themselves.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    No shell casings ,no flesh plums from the shots. The videos do not match in sight or sound and i watched them again and again.Both the alleged father and boyfriend are confirmed actors period!!! And NO TEARS FROM ANYONE PERIOD = hoax

    • Veeter99

      If just repeating yourself again and again helps you agree with yourself, by all means, keep doing it.

      Why don’t you try to refute the points I made below in my reply to you? It’s the one that begins, “The footages DO match.”

      • Zarko Vukelic

        alright I will look into it more but it all looks fake not trying to hurt your feelings.You make good points keep it up

    • gdad

      Wow, you are so hopelessly clueless. It must really, really suck to be in your world.

    • Rob Legroulx

      For all that say It was a hoax really need their brain checked no one even proved It was a hoax by going to crime scene and really exposing It If fake It’s almost like when people were believing 2 pac was alive.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    SORRY Veeter99 need more proof This is a flat out HOAX

    • Veeter99

      I don’t need to prove it’s NOT a hoax.

      You need to prove it IS.

      All you’ve come up with so far is speculation and wild-eyed claims.

      Bloodless crime scene? Where’s your proof there was no blood?

      No shell casings were ejected? It’s not proof that you didn’t see them in that very poor cellphone video.

      No tears from anyone? Which is it; no tears or fake tears? Y’all can’t make up your minds on that one.

      The direction of the planks in the photos and videos show it was staged? Not so. I knocked that one down easily.

      The two videos don’t match? They do, and I showed how you can tell. It’s also in the article.

      • Cj Isaksen

        All you came up with was speculation hahah like what? All you did was explain each theory.and why YOU think its fake. There wasnt a single fact in your article that “proved” anything. I dont even have to get into the legistics of the shoping to say your opinion is irrelevant. Your in another country over analyzing something that shows zero support to your theories. I can catch a shell cassing on my non smart phone btw. I also dont know why you keep saying blood this blood that. How bout any type of contact,penetration, or impact rip in clothing. You day he cant handle recoil but his hands dont even jerk like a real recoil.

        • Veeter99

          I don’t know why you’re calling it my article. It isn’t.

          Seriously, I can’t even tell exactly what you’re trying to say. Some of the time (like when you say “why YOU think its fake”), you seem to be in agreement that it was NOT a hoax, but other times, you sound like a hoax believer.

          The article completely answered your question about “any type of contact,penetration, or impact rip in clothing.”

          Did you read the article carefully?

          • AWOL1233

            Veeter99 you are being blown out of the water by 99% of the commenters. You and Keelan (who mysteriously stopped replying) are driving people away from Keelans work (myself included). Cant believe I had watched his stuff before and thought it was good work.

          • Veeter99

            Just more lame BS from you, AWOL. You can’t speak intelligently and answer my responses, so you wimp out and fall back on accusing me of being part of the conspiracy?

            I’m not. As I’ve expressed several times here to different posters, I’m more in agreement with their core beliefs than they realize. I’m a very strong 2nd Amendment rights advocate and I’m fully aware that our government has lied to us many times. Also, I don’t believe they’ll ever be able to disarm us.

            Read further down and you’ll see. When you come to the LOAD MORE COMMENTS bar, click it. Keep going till you see it again. Click it again. And again. You’ll see I’m not the shill you try to say I am.

            Keep working on your discussion skills. Don’t just give up and try to say those who disagree with you are part of the conspiracy.

          • AWOL1233

            And you can’t look at the direction of the deck boards in the phot you posted of the crime scene. They are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the video. Count them your self when zoomed in. They never connect to parallel deck boards and they do not get shorter as evidenced by YOUR crime scene pic. Funny because yesterday I posted the same photo for you several times and the moderator wouldn’t allow it to post. Hmmmmmmmm. Anyway, you debunked yourself. Count the deck boards in the photo and pause and count them in the video starting at the beginning of the white building. If you deny this then you really don’t care what we show you to prove it is fake. Oh and your blood on the handrail below. Was it Mexican jumping blood that jumped over the railing because there is not any blood dripping over the deck and remember he was “shot” in the head wink wink. There are other angles of this forensics team and there NO POOLS OF BLOOD around the cameraman body so is he lying on the entire pool of blood from his shot to the head so the blood could only seep through the deck boards in that one location, then bend at an angle in mid air and hit the handrail below. You have a far fetched imagination

          • Veeter99

            See my post above with the yellow dots following that first board from the edge of the building to the front of the decking. Only the first board can be seen for its full length.

            As far as your “Was it Mexican jumping blood that jumped over the railing because there is not any blood dripping over the deck and remember he was “shot” in the head” comment, you are forgetting that there is no reason for the blood to do anything but drip straight down through the gaps between the boards.

            And remember, as soon as he was shot in the head, his heart stops pumping, so it’s not like all 12-14 pints of blood in his body came out.

          • AWOL1233

            Ahhh his head is not above the hand railing Sir Veeeeeeter. Jesus man are you really grasping and praying for people to just believe your lies.

          • Veeter99

            Are you just going to run and hide from the fact that I proved I am right about the boards? No comment whatsoever from you on that? Good grief, AWOL. You’re obviously just trying to change the subject because you’re embarrassed you got owned.

            It’s easy to tell who’s really trying to get at the truth here, and it’s NOT you. You have already decided the outcome you are looking for. And I do mean LOOKING FOR.

            Insofar as your BS about his head not being above the handrail, you’re wrong again. Just align a ruler or some kind of straightedge with that large railing support closest to Adam’s head and you’ll see that blood on the handrail lines right up.

          • AWOL1233

            Veeter your a flake. I typed a very long and descriptive response with a picture included to prove your shit is wrong and made it so simple a 6 year old could see you are a lying sac of garbage. Some reason the “moderator” isn’t putting it on the board. Hmmmm. Anyway the gist of it is look at your pic with the yellow lines, at the officers knee there is sunlight with shows the next 3 deck boards all running full length the picture with the yellow line shows a total of 11 perpendicular deck under the canopy. The slo mo gif in this article with Imgflip in the lower left can be downloaded and paused and at the very end of that video when paused at the edge of the canopy, count 3 boards in and you will see the deck boards begin to 45 degree angle midway between the building and the rail. Your pic with the yellow line shows 11 boards going further than midway point and never 45 degree angle. This is debunked. Don’t quit your day job, maybe your friend in San Diego has another hot lead for you to follow up on LMAO.

          • Veeter99

            AWOL, you’re counting the deck boards from the officer’s knee? How big of an idiot can you be? The 45 degree line that separates the two sections doesn’t start there, it starts at the post supporting the roof. AS SEEN IN THE GIF.

            You’re hilarious.

            Hilariously stupid.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        show me any photos of the crime scene with any blood in it and then and only then I will call this a real event.I have found no such photo’s hence HOAX

        • Veeter99

          Contact the police/sheriff’s department that has jurisdiction over that shopping center and took the crime scene photos and ask about them.

          I don’t think photos like that are usually released to the public. Once in awhile there will be a leak and they’ll show up in a tabloid, though.

      • Joe

        Actually Veeter… You DO have to prove it is not a hoax. There is no evidence of anyone dead and therefore, no murder. At least, if we were a jury, we’d demand to see a body, proof of death. Family, friends, police etc.. DO NOT count, unless they can provide proof of death. Just like in court, if there’s no body, there’s no murder. So… you need to prove it wasn’t a hoax (because frankly… it’s pretty easy to see it’s fake, I don’t know how you can’t see it).

        Anyway, you can’t do it by saying, DEBUNKED, try again… Because we can say it right back, it’s all perception and what I see, is different that what you see, so unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Alison Parker is dead, you might as well be her for all we know. That would be hilarious.

        • Veeter99

          Just how is it that somebody like me is going to be able to show you the bodies? Or even photos of the bodies?

          You’re not doing yourself any favors here. I guess you think I should go to the cemetary/s and exhume the bodies.

          You’re grasping at straws now because of all the replies I’ve made fully answering your objections.

          No, you guys need to prove there WERE NO deaths. And your speculations here are not psychologically nor scientifically valid.

          • Joe

            Whatever dude… I answered you with a lengthy reply up above and it was magically deleted. I can see there’s no arguing with you because you can’t accept the fact that you could be wrong. Where as for me, I WANT to be wrong, but nothing in the article or what you’ve said has brought my mind to peace.

            We’ll see what the future turns up…

            Over and out.

          • Veeter99

            Joe, I completely understand that I could be wrong. Like I have said all along, my mind is completely open on the entire thing.

            I just haven’t seen any solid, common sense evidence that this event was hoaxed.

            I’m sorry I missed your post. I have had stuff disappear, too; I think I may have clicked the wrong button. Maybe mistakenly clicking CANCEL instead of SAVE EDIT when making a change.

            Another thing to make sure you don’t see a prior version of the page with your new post missing; make sure the next time you come to the page, you come via a bookmark that was made from the original URL, not one of the links in email.

          • AWOL1233

            VEETER99 is hitting desperation mode LMAO. Next he will be calling everyone fools because the sky is clearly red and if you think its blue your “just not looking hard enough” LMAO…… If this person isnt Keelan in disguise than he is a paid disinfo agent. Simple as that. His arguements and name calling resemble that of other Jewishesque trolls on other message boards.

          • Veeter99

            There you go again, AWOL; you lose all credibility when you avoid discussing the points and move to accusing me of being part of the conspiracy or a paid disinfo agent.

            I’m not.

            It just makes you look weak when you do that.

            Try harder. It will make you a better advocate for truth.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        I posted a link of an eyewitness proving that this is a hoax you guys won’t let me post it WHY Veeter99????

        • Veeter99

          Zarko, I don’t believe this site allows us to post links. I posted
          links twice and my posts were deleted afterwards. I think it’s to
          prevent trolls from posting inappropriate links.

          Also, I just figured out how to post the crime scene photo I found for you last night showing blood on the handrail below Adam’s body. Here it is; click on it and it opens up a bit larger:

          • AWOL1233

            Vetter the deck boards in your photo in the area Alison was running are in a different direction than the deck boards in the video. Come on now you tell me you can see under the awning on the upper deck against the white building the deck boards run perpendicular. In your picture you can count approx 9 deck boards running perpendicular to the white building. In the video these boards starting at the white building run perpendicular and get shorter and meet vertical running boards at 45 degree angle. By the 3rd deck board you would see them getting shorter in your pic. But unfortunately for you you can zoom in and see the deck boards continue perpendicular all the way to the railing. Now please stop lying and look for yourself, zoom in, count the deck boards. It’s a different scene. The “shooting” was filmed well in advance when the deck boards were running parallel to the building. BUSTED. it’s a hoax

          • Veeter99

            AWOL, you should try laying a ruler or the straight edge of a piece of paper on your monitor. Put it at the corner of the building and line it up on the edge of that first board, following it all the way to the front edge of the decking.

            You’ll see that what you are claiming about “By the 3rd deck board you would see them getting shorter in your pic” is not possible because you can only see that FIRST board all the way to the edge.

            Here, I followed that board with yellow dots I put on the photo in MS Paint. I tried to make them perfectly straight, but I’m just working with a mouse. They wiggle a little bit, but they stay within the width of that board. Check it with a straight edge if you want to confirm.

            What you say about “by the third board” is absolutely true, but in the photo you can only see the full length of the first board.

            Remember, you can click on the photo and it opens up a little bit larger.

          • Veeter99

            AWOL, why are you being a coward and not responding to this post in which I took the time to show you how that first board is the only one shown at full length?

            Don’t forget to click on “see more” so you can see the photo.

          • Rob Legroulx

            For all that say It was a hoax really need their brain checked no one even proved It was a hoax by going to crime scene and really exposing It If fake which It was not It’s almost like thinking 2pac Is alive which he’s not but yet people believed that.

  • John

    I’m not saying it definitely was a hoax and I’m not saying it definitely wasn’t, I just don’t know for sure, I’m being honest with you here, I’m only interested in knowing the truth, now, some of my doubts have been arguably covered in this but one question I would like to ask though, how would Bryce Williams have known that Alison and Adam would be there at that time and place??, did he just guess or was there a specific, detailed announcement on WDBJ7 that Adam and Alison would be there at that place and time??

    • Veeter99

      I don’t know about the Roanoke area, but all the local morning shows
      I’ve ever seen always announce their live remote segments well in
      advance, so all he probably had to do was watch WDBJ that morning to
      know where they were and roughly when that segment would run.

      • John

        Thanks, and yes, that could be certainly one explanation although this Bryce would have had to have had a lot of time on his hands to be watching out for that opportunity, he was sacked from WDBJ two years before and got another job yet somehow found time to be watching their news broadcasts and planning all this out waiting to see where Alison and Adam would be but as I say it is possible I accept that, sure, another thing that’s bugging me in connection with that is the fact that this was supposed to have been very early in the morning, around 6.45am and my understanding is that Bridgewater Plaza or at least the shops in there don’t open till later than that so the news team obviously would have had special permission to be on the premises but……and I’m only guessing here because I live in the UK I don’t know a lot about how this part of the US works but wouldn’t this Bryce Williams have looked rather out of place being there at that time?, I mean, wasn’t there any security around?, would he have even been allowed in at that time as an ordinary member of the public??

        • Veeter99

          Most shopping centers like this in the U.S. would have some security cameras mounted in different places and some of the shop owners may have cameras inside their shops, but I don’t know how many of them would have security guards on the premises during times like this when no shops are open.

          I don’t think the shooter would have looked out of place because he wouldn’t look any different from a random shop owner coming in early.

          For a live interview piece like this, it would be very advantageous to do it before the shops open so the interview team wouldn’t be in the way of any shoppers.

          It also avoids any “photobombing” idiots, which I’m sure you’ve seen.

          • John

            You’ve got that right, they would have been wise to do the interview at that time when there would have been no reason for anyone to be around that would disturb them with either standing there watching and putting them off or jumping in front of the camera as people often do, I’ve seen it so many times.

            This is exactly the point, because although Bryce might have got away with walking in there unnoticed, as you say he could have been taken for someone who owned one of the shops there or something, there is no way he would have been missed by Alison or Vicki when he was walking up to them with his mobile and pointing that gun, how odd would he have looked?

            Maybe Adam had a good reason not to notice because he was filming with his back to Bryce completely but Vicki and Alison couldn’t have missed him if they tried, apparently when asked about this Vicki said the light from the camera was in her eyes and that is why she didn’t notice him but when Adam was moving the camera around to look at the scenery that was the time when Bryce was walking up to them and was pointing the gun, there would have been no light on her at that point, it was daylight….yet she still didn’t see him???

            Also, where were the other news crew members at that time?, I mean, maybe I’m getting too old and out of touch with today technology Lol but you can’t do a live broadcast with just one camera, two people and an interviewee can you?, you need a team on site don’t you?, you need a van with broadcasting equipment to beam the signal out don’t you?

  • Zarko Vukelic

    why is there no videos of the lone survivor Vicky Garner????

    • gdad

      Videos where and when? There are plenty.

      • Joe

        Really… Where? I just looked and didn’t find anything with her face or voice after the event yet. Not that I care, she’s obviously got a script, but still…

        • gdad

          First, there are tons and tons of her before the shootings. She’s a real person and not an actor. After the murders? You do remember that she was badly hurt and had several surgeries, don’t you? There are photos of her. Not sure about video.

          Anybody who believes this is a hoax is truly an idiot.

          • Joe

            I’ve seen a few interviews with her today and it doesn’t look good buddy. Her story is filled with strange outpoints… Like, she said, she was shot in the back. Shot in the back. One more time, shot in the back. Okay, the police get there, see she is shot in the back and ask her to get up and walk to the truck. I served in the Navy and we were constantly trained in emergency medical treatment and one thing you don’t do with someone who has any kind of back injury, is tell them to get up and walk. Reason being, movement could make the injury much worse. You don’t even move their body until you have the proper equipment. That is a major outpoint and doesn’t make sense, plus who just walks downs steps with a bullet in the back, which apparently tore her kidney and part of her colon? I fell onto a chunk of hard ice in the winter, slammed my lower back onto it real good and couldn’t move for 20 minutes, I can’t even imagine having a hollow point pierce my kidney and colon. Nobody gets up and walks away from that. She was lying there for 5 minutes or so before police arrived, which would have been enough time for the adrenaline to wane with such an injury, plus she must have been bleeding, but of course, we don’t see any blood spatter on the deck near Adam’s body, where Vicki went down. Another outpoint. There’s so damn many.

          • gdad

            Joe, you are a hopeless dolt.

          • Joe

            gdad, I’m still better than you, fool. Get some coffee and wake up.

          • gdad

            Sorry, Joe, but I’m not the one who believes that thousands of people are somehow magically involved in a hoax aimed at taking away weapons from gun lickers. You need a lot more than coffee to regain your sanity.

          • Joe

            Don’t be sorry for me sucker… You’re the idiot, you just don’t know it yet. It’ll come to you though..

          • gdad

            What will come to me? One day I’ll wake up believing that thousands of random people are involved in a gigantic hoax (even the funeral homes have been bought off?)? That there’s nothing to the fact that not a single person who knew any of the three folks who died in the killings has come forward to reveal that they’re still alive? Nah, Joe, I’ve already woken up to the fact that people like you are just plain crazy. You need help.

  • gdad

    You people who believe it was a hoax are just sick, sad POS.

  • Joe

    All the proof of this being a hoax lies in watching the interviews with Daddy and “boyfriend” Chris Hurst.

    “We didn’t have time for an anniversary, so we did month-a-versaries” -Chris Hurst

    Key phrase there is, “We didn’t have time… so we did month-a-versaries”

    How did he know they didn’t have time to do an anniversary, unless it was all, PLANNED.

    Oh and, Keelan… I posted a really kick ass debunk to your debunk, and I included a picture, which needed admin approval, and it’s been 5 days. Approve it already, or are you upset that it shuts your whole article down?

    • Veeter99

      Lots of couples recognize the day of the month when they began dating or when they fell in love and decided to date exclusively. I’ve never heard it called a month-a-versary, but I’m sure some couples refer to it that way.

      Please explain more clearly what you’re talking about when you say what Hurst said makes you think it was a hoax because he said “we didn’t have time.”

      I thought he meant they didn’t always have time to celebrate on the actual DAY of the month they began dating.

      • Joe

        Chris Hurst said, in an interview, “We didn’t have enough time to have an anniversary, so all we -could have- was month-a-versaries”

        The fact that said it’s all they -could have- means there was a PLAN.

        What’s even funnier, is something distracts him from the interview and he looks off camera as he’s saying it. Debunking your whole, “focused” logic.

        You know damn straight that if that shooting had been real, Vicki Gardner would have noticed a 300 black man waving a gun around.

        Veeter, you seem like a smart person, but you’re doing EXACTLY what you’re accusing the non-believers of and only seeing it the way you want to see it. If you haven’t noticed, Keelan up and quit the debate and didn’t even approve my latest debunk to his debunk which pretty much burns his whole perception of this event.

        It’s such a sham in fact, that even the mainstream media is carefully keeping quiet about it now, in case you haven’t noticed that…

        • Veeter99

          You said:
          ===
          Chris Hurst said, in an interview, “We didn’t have enough time to have an anniversary, so all we -could have- was month-a-versaries” The fact that said it’s all they -could have- means there was a PLAN.
          ===

          I don’t see how that indicates there was a plan. Some people say “could have” like that all the time when they’re referring to past tense. That doesn’t mean that Hurst and Parker knew in January when they began dating that they’d never be able to celebrate on the exact date of their anniversary. My wife and I are rarely able to celebrate birthdays or even our wedding anniversary on the exact date.

          Plus, someone being in TV news and working all kinds of crazy hours, I’m sure has it even tougher.

          Also, you said:
          ===
          You know damn straight that if that shooting had been real, Vicki Gardner would have noticed a 300 black man waving a gun around

          ===

          Did you read the whole article? That is completely covered and debunked in the article.

          I’m not “doing EXACTLY what I’m accusing the non-believers of doing. My mind is still open. I just haven’t seen any solid evidence yet to make me think this was a hoax.

          I’m STILL open to it; every aspect of it. Have you read far down into the comments? When you see “Load more comments,” keep going. Keep going when you see it again. And again. There’s a lot here.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    I posted a link to an eyewitness proving that this was a Hoax!!! you guys would not post it WHY IS THAT??????

    • Veeter99

      Zarko, I just figured out how to post the crime scene photo I found for you last night showing blood on the handrail below Adam’s body. Here it is:

      • Zarko Vukelic

        the link i tried to post was from Professor Doom1 from his youtube channel about an eyewitness across the street give it a watch then get back to me. The camera man got shot in the head there should be a large pool of blood around his head,just not seeing anything?????

        • AWOL1233

          I watched it Zarko. She also stated FBI were in her apartment at 7:01 am guns drawn. Now how is that possible. It’s a hoax, she busts the whole thing wide open.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            not just the FBI, the ATF AND SWATT were there too

            15 minutes after the alleged shooting

          • AWOL1233

            Yup every alphabet soup agency was there within 15 minutes and found the shooters shoes and pants on her balcony lmao how did they get there so quickly and how did they know that a pair of shoes and pants on a balcony belonged to a shooter they had no description of lmao. Total hoax. But Veeeter probably has an answer for this also lmao

        • Veeter99

          What’s the title of the video?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            it’s called “Must Hear Virginia Shooting Witness Keli Kolmeter Interview” by Professor Doom1

          • AWOL1233

            The title of the video is VEETER99s account was opened to only reply to this article.

          • Veeter99

            You’re getting more and more idiotic, AWOL. I said several times that a friend in San Diego contacted me and asked me to check this whole situation out.

            Stop being a troll and try harder. As I told you several times, it will make you a better advocate for truth.

            Right now, you’re just tossing stupid comments into the discussion and not even trying to contribute intelligently.

          • AWOL1233

            Oh got it a friend in San Diego asked you to check it out. Ahhhhh that explains it .

          • Veeter99

            One more stupid comment from you.

            Thanks for making my point for me.

          • Chester

            Hilarious!

      • Cee

        First they say it was a hoax without any bodies; so you show a body. So they say it’s staged with no blood. So you show the blood falling onto the rail below, as it always does in the face of gravity. They say the blood should be pooled around the head. The “eyewitness” who is an actress lies and contradicts herself, and they say she is the smoking gun that proves their original theory that this was all a hoax. Once you realize that there is literally no video, photographic or other factual evidence that will sway them from this conspiracy delusion, it finally hits you: they’re not looking for facts; they’re only looking for anything that hints of supporting their conspiracy delusion. I sat here for 15 minutes trying to imagine ANYTHING that would convince them, and every time I came up with a delusional counter to reality. So you can’t show them bodies; the eyewitness can’t remove her contradictions; DOOM can’t admit to misleading people; we can’t release footage from different angles or hi-res satellite images showing bullet entry etc. They’d always counter with they killed everyone to cover their tracks, or Photoshopped, or paid by the government to backtrack their story etc. This delusion isn’t even funny anymore. They TRULY believe this stuff, and there is NOTHING to convince them otherwise. Seriously…there is little more scary then encountering someone who doesn’t factor in factual evidence, logic or reason. There are no consequences to such beliefs. It’s the same mentality of murderers where taking a life is utterly meaningless to them. How do you educate people who place zero value in facts?

        • Joe

          Cee, do you realize how ridiculously obsessed you are with trying to prove this was not a hoax and that anyone who challenges what they see is, “mentally ill?” The kind of behavior that you are displaying is just as, if not more, crazy as the people you claim are mentally ill who feel that the shooting was staged. Why don’t you just… leave it alone… and get back to your little world of believing everything you see. Let the crazy conspiracy theorists chat among themselves. Okay? Because if you can’t do that, than (surprise!) you’re the crazy one.

          • Cee

            I agree. I think a group of conspiracy theorists who can’t just leave it alone are crazy. That’s why when I came to this article, which was designed for likeminded people who know it was real and not staged, I was surprised by how many crazies couldn’t leave it alone and go somewhere else where not only we could talk among ourselves, but they could go on some pro-conspiracy site and talk among themselves. But just as you said, for some crazy reason, they just can’t leave it alone.

          • Joe

            You’re the only “crazy” here Cee. Sorry. This site was designed for “everyone and anyone.” as a way to answer questions about why the video/shooting/responses don’t look right. It was designed to explain the many questions and “facts” that don’t add up. It was designed precisely for people like me who wanted to hear any kind rational explanation to the outpoints presented in the videos and interviews. Unfortunately, the article does not rationally explain the obvious problems with these videos. As an example, the lack of shell casings on the initial shots fired on camera. The cell phone is perfectly sufficient at capturing the muzzle flash and should have captured the shell casings being ejected as well, and the sound they make as they hit the hard wooden deck. Anyone with a gun understands this. The article gives conjecture as opposed to scientific evidence, and thus fails to answer the question. There are at least 15 other STRONG indications of this being a hoax, which also, have not been successfully answered. Now we have idiots like you, inserting your ad hominem remarks about the mental states of those who would question the validity of this shooting as it has been presented. You bring no facts, or answers, only personal attacks about the sanity of others using your psychobabble which indicates strongly that you are either a paid shill working for the APA, AMA or WHO, or… you’re just some lost soul who needs a way to get attention and so comes here looking for interaction. Either way… you’re kind of creepy.

          • Cee

            Why are truthers so paranoid about imaginary things? Not a paid shill, lol. I can’t believe I have to actually say that outloud to a group of people who should otherwise be rationally thinking. Not FBI, NSA, CSI, ATF, Homeland Security, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard or whoever else you guys have fantastically associated with this horrible tragedy. It’s hard to keep up as the stories and theories get wilder every day. It’s like each of you loved The X-FILES far more than the rest of us. The scientific evidence is simple: dead bodies buried, you lowlife, disgusting, disrespectful sick bastards. Let them rest in peace instead of torturing these haunted families with your lochness monster nonsense.

          • Joe

            Blah blah blah. Your lack of truth is boring. Over and out…

          • Cee

            Dead dead dead. Your lack of respect is boring. Over and out…

  • Cee

    This sounds snarky, but is a legitimate question, somewhat along the lines of people who believe in fervently believe in religion, gods, and other myths. But do the people who believe this was a hoax suffer from sort of mental illness, psychosis, mass hysteria? What is the common thread? Is it lack of education? Are they all high school education and lower? I know they’d never reveal their personal history, but I really wish there was a way to discover why people believe in imaginary things. It’s something like religion that is so pervasive that it’s almost scary. You can tell from their comments, that despite how ridiculous they are, that they aren’t trolling but actually truly and deeply believe what no one can sanely believe–and yet you know they do. How is this explained scientifically? Seriously, is this some sort of community of self-deluded people who’ve found one another fueled by conspiracy theories and disenfranchisement? Were they bullied? I’d honestly like to know what traits, background and other socioeconomic data allows these people to believe in these hoaxes and other things that most people with common sense, critical thinking, and intelligence know not at all to be true. It’s baffling how anyone could believe otherwise. Are these the types of people who are so frustrated that they’ll go randomly shoot people like this person, or in movie theaters, etc.? Is there any info tying the erratic beliefs of these “truthers” with the erratic behaviors of shooters? I think these are the bigger questions that need to asked. Countering and responding to self-deluded people very likely suffering from sort of PTSD or other mental ilness is time wasted, because they’re not stable. They actually believe this was a hoax. You can show them the bodies and they would simply say that they killed everyone to cover up the tracks. So I think it’s better to try to figure out why “truthers” believe what they do so that maybe we can prevent others from suffering from the same illness, and perhaps help heal those currently suffering from it, and maybe even prevent future tragedies.

    • Joe

      Keli Kohlmeier, the eye-witness who was interviewed on television, must be crazy then, because now even she believes it’s a hoax. She was there. The FBI and SWAT team were at her apartment at 6:47am with a gun to her head, illegally searching her home. She lived across the way from the, (laugh), “crime scene.” but had a perfect view of the (laugh) “crime scene.”

      Hear her talk about it yourself, visit Professor Doom1 on youtube, he conducted an hour long interview with her.

      Plus there’s about 15 other glaring outpoints that point to the Virginia Shooting as being staged in one way or another.

      It isn’t a mental illness that any of us have, and for me, this is the first time I’ve ever seen something on TV and felt compelled to question it. I shoot guns, and when I saw the lack of shell casings on those first few shots, it immediately got my attention that something was off, and when I heard the father tearlessly rant about Gun Control, the same day, I knew something was off about this. So, I started to look, investigate, and stare at the whole thing objectively and try and find outpoints. I arrived to this site, which supposedly debunks the debunking, and I have not been satisfied by all of the explanations presented.

      I would say it’s healthy for anyone, to collect and evaluate data based on what they’ve observed rather than what’s being fed to them via the “media” which tends to distort facts and sensationalize for profit.

      It is not outside the realm of possibility that there may exist an elite group of billionaires who have as their only pleasure, to bring mankind further and further down into the mud, so as to gain absolute power and control. So long as people in America have their guns, that can’t happen.

      I don’t want to get too into this, because you probably believe everything you hear the media tells you and you probably do what you’re told because you’re afraid of people. Maybe you ought to get some mental help…. Just saying.

      • AWOL1233

        Well said Joe. Cee has a lot of growing up to do before she realizes she is being played into the groupthink category and kept there through media manipulation. Sad but eventually she will figure it out but for people like her it usually takes the opposition to reach critical mass so she can follow the group. And Joe, glad you saw through this with the interview Zarko mentioned with Kelli. That was the absolute perfect video to show how an edited interview played on CNN is done to further an agenda but when you see/hear Kelli for one hour describe everything in her own words it debunks more than just this fake shooting, it exposes how they get people to appear to further their fake scenario with edited interviews

        • Veeter99

          AWOL, it’s hilarious that you said, “…Cee has a lot of growing up to do before she realizes she is being played…” because you’re the one being played.

          And you’re being played by the most delusional person on this site: YOURSELF.

          Time and time again, I have proven you wrong. The latest is when I proved you wrong on the deck boards thing. See below.

          And you still can’t see it even when it is spelled out for you.

          I haven’t listened to all of that Kelli “video” yet (it’s just audio), but I will. You might want to look at some of the very DAMNING comments I found below one of the other YouTube sites supporting it:
          ====
          Daniel Pratt 1 day ago
          this chick says in the first couple minutes how they were “powerwashing blood” down the side of the restaraunt. later, she says no blood at all. shes a lying ****in tweeker.

          Always AHope 23 hours ago
          just like she said the night before the incident they were having a couple drinks after work, then it’s, I used to drink but I don’t anymore, then in the original upload at the very end she tells Doom oh we’d get along maybe we should get together and have drinks…

          beeps 22 hours ago
          +Daniel Pratt Haven’t heard it but if shes caught lying it ruins any claim to credibility she would have.

          Daniel Pratt 15 hours ago
          +Always AHope exactly. That is in fact. The point i had turned it off.. it was the second contradiction within minutes. Yet everyone seems to think this lady is some pitiful saint suddenly? Lmfao. She lies and repeatedly contradicts HERSELF in this very “interview”. So i now not only still not give a **** about her or her story, but i question those now thinking shes some sort of “credible witness” or what the **** ever this is supposed to prove.

          geri konecy 9 hours ago
          +Daniel Pratt NO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND SHE SAID HER BOYFRIEND TOLD HER THIS ABOUT THE BLOOD.

          Daniel Pratt 9 hours ago
          +geri konecy bulls***

      • Cee

        I remain fascinated by this truther delusion, but now add sincere pity, because it never occurred to me until now that all of you are likely being intentionally misled by either people who believe what you believe, or merely as an elaborate prank just to get their jollies. I know weaker minds can never accept such realities, but It’s a true shame that someone like this Doom character is taking advantage not only of the tragedy itself, but of those suffering from the truther delusion who readily accept everything they see and hear in his version of the media. RIP.

        • Joe

          You’re the weaker mind fool, sorry. At any rate.. what’s the point of this photo? Because it really doesn’t help your cause lol. If this woman is an actress, then… why is she on scene at the Virginia shooting being interviewed as an eye witness?

          • Cee

            No, it’s I who should apologize for calling your beliefs a mental illness. Psychologists have finetuned their diagnosis, and so I now have a much better understanding of why you believe in such conspiracies. It actually all makes a lot of sense now.

          • Joe

            lol you’re a trip there cee. First off, might want to refrain from using “psychology” as a credible reference to make your ridiculous assumptions about people who decide to investigate incidents in the media. You are perhaps not aware that psychology/psychiatry was not invented to help people feel well, but instead to manipulate them. Mind control, in other words. Please feel free to research psychiatry/psychology – mind control. And before you start babbling about the fact that I’m “now calling psychology a conspiracy” do your due diligence into the matter. I’m sure you won’t, but in case you’re not that far brainwashed, or some paid shill, I thought I’d throw it out there. Psychology has been around since 1879 and decade after decade the rate of people going insane has increased further and further. Today, more people are crazy and being fed drugs, which make them crazier than anytime before. Even children. While Big Pharma makes billions per year. That’s what you call a crackpot science, or pseudoscience. It’s crap and doesn’t work. So…. Good luck using psychobabble garbage to make yourself feel above people who are smarter and less mentally controlled than you are.

          • Cee

            Agreed. More people are crazier than ever, especially those who have never stepped inside of a psychiatrist’s office. You already commented on your psychology conspiracy; so I’ll only comment on your other one: no, I’m not a paid shill. You really should check out that site. It details why truthers consider literally everything a conspiracy, even in the face of ludicrous claims.

        • Let’s keep it real

          Hybrid.

    • AWOL1233

      The group think mass hysteria is what your closed mind suffers from Cee if you swallow this garbage as real because you have seen it on TV. My goodness you must be either severely brainwashed or live in a cave. The media has staged hoaxes like this or worse for decades. They have been caught faking news to promote a govt agenda MANY TIMES. Yet the dull minded sheep such as yourself can’t even distinguish between fact and fiction any longer. Poor thing, I know ignorance is bliss but your taking it to a whole new level

    • Let’s keep it real

      Wow! That was painful. Repeat much?? Who are you trying to convince? Do you have long conversations with yourself often? And what was the consensus? You might want to check yourself! Government creating ways to control its people its nothing new. What rock have you been living under?

      • Cee

        Yes, Mulder, it was all staged in a massive conspiracy, lol

  • Keelan Balderson

    So I go on holiday for a week and there are already conspiracies about me not replying to certain comments, other people being called me in disguise …

    I went to Turkey by the way, so perhaps I was just auditioning for an ISIS acting role?

    • Joe

      They don’t have internet in Turkey?

      • Cee

        It’s called a vacation–not a “hey, lemme spend my entire holiday responding to wackos on expensive roaming charges.” He went on vacation to get AWAY from that. Sorry his escape interrupted the flow of your conspiracy theories.

        • Joe

          Right… So he’s back… and the comments are still not posted.

  • John

    Another couple of questions just to once again help me make my mind up here because I’m having some difficulty whichever way I look at this, okay, obviously you can’t make sense of someone who is insane and assuming that this was all true then Bryce was insane but it’s also evident that he was quite clever and certainly not an idiot so this is what I would like to ask, he worked at WDBJ7 over 2 and a half years ago and he had been holding a grudge against his employer believing he’d been the victim of racial discrimination and he in particular had a grudge against two of his former work colleagues Vicki and Adam right?

    So, as he would have had a problem with WDBJ7 as a whole, now, if that was the case would it not have been the more obvious thing to do (in his mad mind) to simply go back to the WDBJ building, crash in and open fire on everyone in there rather than waiting over 2 years and then deciding to go and shoot just two of his former work colleagues on some remote location?

    They did say at the time that the WDBJ premises was in lockdown after the incident because of fears Bryce would go there which does make my point for me with regards to the fact that the problem was his employer but he could have saved himself the bother and killed two….well more that two birds with one stone if he’d have just gone straight to the WDBJ building in the first place, he could have taken out Vicki, Adam, his immediate boss whom he also would have hated and all the others in the company that he thought were expressing covert racism and doing things that were designed to subtly offend him, remember, he had to be removed from the premises by Police according to the official story, what better revenge for him than to go back there to the same place and shoot them all?, why go to Bridgewater Plaza on the basis of information they would be there risking missing them when he was guaranteed to find them at the WDBJ building?, see my problem here?

    Also, why wait so long?, over two years, Alison and Adam must have done loads of other similar stories so he had plenty of opportunities in between and yet he waited all that time and then a few days before he did it he must have thought thought….’ah….they’ll be at the Bridgewater Plaza in the morning eh?….right….I’ll be there and I’ll get them back and make them pay for what they did to me’……errrrrrr…..can you see why I’m having difficulty here anyone?

  • John

    Another couple of questions just to once again help me make my mind up here because I’m having some difficulty whichever way I look at this, okay, obviously you can’t make sense of someone who is insane and assuming that this was all true then Bryce was insane but it’s also evident that he was quite clever and certainly not an idiot so this is what I would like to ask, he worked at WDBJ7 over 2 and a half years ago and he had been holding a grudge against his employer believing he’d been the victim of racial discrimination and he in particular had a grudge against two of his former work colleagues Alison and Adam right?

    So, he would have had a problem with WDBJ7 as a whole correct?, now, if that was the case would it not have been the more obvious thing to do (in his mad mind) to simply go back to the WDBJ building, crash in and open fire on everyone in there rather than waiting over 2 years and then deciding to go and shoot just two of his former work colleagues on some remote location?

    They did say at the time that the WDBJ premises was in lockdown after the incident because of fears Bryce would go there which does make my point for me with regards to the fact that the problem was his employer but he could have saved himself the bother and killed two….well more than two birds with one stone if he’d have just gone straight to the WDBJ building in the first place, he could have taken out Alison, Adam, his immediate boss whom he also would have hated and all the others in the company that he thought were expressing covert racism and doing things that were designed to subtly offend him, remember, he had to be removed from the premises by Police according to the official story, what better revenge for him than to go back there to the same place and shoot them all?, why go to Bridgewater Plaza on the basis of information they would be there risking missing them when he was guaranteed to find them at the WDBJ building?, see my problem here?

    Also, why wait so long?, over two years, Alison and Adam must have done loads of other similar stories so he had plenty of opportunities in between and yet he waited all that time and then a few days before he did it he must have thought thought….’ah….they’ll be at the Bridgewater Plaza in the morning eh?….right….I’ll be there and I’ll get them back and make them pay for what they did to me’……errrrrrr…..can you see why I’m having difficulty here anyone?

    • AWOL1233

      I can totally see why your having trouble swallowing this story. It is a hoax, the FBI were in Kelli Hodemeier (spelling may be off) guns drawn with ATF agents at 7:01 15 minutes after the shooting claiming the shooter shoes and pants were on her balcony, which happens to be the only balcony with a clear view of the interview. Impossible unless it was staged.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        sorry you need to watch the video again she said 6:47 am not once in this video dose she say 7:01am. SOOOOOOOooooooo the FBI,ATF and SWATT were at her house two minutes later???? Just wondering?????

        ;

        • Zarko Vukelic

          This interview brought me to tears unlike the ALLEGED FATHER AND BOYFRIEND interview there is something fucked up here

          • AWOL1233

            Zarko I just watched the Doom video and YES YOU ARE CORRECT. Wow. She was not off about what time they burst into her apartment. That seals the deal. Thanks for the correction. Good stuff on the Doom interview. Appreciate you passing that along. I had watched it before but watched it again (wide awake this time) it really is a must hear interview.

        • John

          Yes, you’re right, she did say specifically 6.47am and she was very sure it was that time, I saw the video, that was the most alarming thing about everything she said because most of the other stuff could be put down to the swat just doing their job after the incident but how could they possibly have gotten there at the same time as the incident was taking place unless they already knew what he intended to do?

          Assuming this was a hoax then the reason for this was either because they wanted to check to see if there was anyone in that saw anything that could give the game away or, more likely, they were using the house ‘lockdown’ as an excuse to stop anyone in there from looking out while the ‘incident’ was happening, remember, Keli said they told her to stay in the house, her and her boyfriend were effectively under house arrest,.

          Now that would be very convenient if it was a fake wouldn’t it?, the only people who could have seen what was really going on at the time were put under house arrest at the time, interesting eh?, they could then just bank on her forgetting the time like many people would to be honest.

          I mean, if I had swat burst in on my in the morning telling me there was a gunman on the loose who killed some people I would probably not think about the time, even if I knew what the time was I wouldn’t think of it has significant, if they said on the news later he shot them at the same time as the swat were at my place I might not have noticed this either like she didn’t at the time, all I would register in my brain was the two incident, shooting, swat team etc which seem to confirm what was said on the news so just like her I would then have told anyone who said it was a hoax that they were ‘wrong’…and ‘the swat were at my place looking for the gunman so it must be true’ blah blah blah.

          Most people wouldn’t think about it and realize they’d been duped, it’s only later on when someone cares to look at it in detail that these things come out and Keli has now come out and said she too is having doubts that it was real.

  • http://www.amazon.com/author/shaunwebb Shaun Webb

    Alas, I wish it were fake….those poor young people. :(

  • Zarko Vukelic

    just watched the interview with the lone survivor Vikky garner.She must be wonder women, shows no sign of pain smiles and no tears .Now I know this whole thing is a HOAX

    • Veeter99

      Zarko, ask your doctor if two weeks is too soon. Today’s surgeons and hospitals are incredible.

      I can tell you that it is NOT too soon.

      My wife had to have part of her colon removed a few years ago, and she was home in a week. I’m sure kidney removal is no problem, either.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        I can understand that veeter99 but what gets me is the total lack of emotion from Viikky Garner after witnessing two murders,losing a kidney and part of her colon that she acts like she is reading a script there is NO terror in her eyes from this horrible event???? she smiles like it’s a story and not a real event!!! just wondering??????

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Vikky Garner makes Rambo look like a Cry Baby Bitch

          • Zarko Vukelic

            SUUUUUUURE LOL HOAX HOAX HOAX

          • Veeter99

            What are you laughing about?

            Are you drunk?

            You’re getting FLATTENED here like a possum under a truck tire.

        • Veeter99

          Zarko, you’d be smiling too if you survived a confrontation with that sicko shooter. Surgery and recuperation is child’s play after that. She is in CELEBRATION mode. I know I would be.

  • Veeter99

    AWOL, as I already asked you (I’m repasting it here), WHY are you counting the deck boards from the officer’s KNEE?

    How big of an idiot can you be?

    The 45 degree line that separates the two sections DOESN’T start there, it starts at the POST supporting the roof.

    AS SEEN IN THE GIF.

    That’s why I PUT the yellow dots on the photo, following the board that goes from the CORNER of the building TO THE POST SUPPORTING THE ROOF.

    Dang bro, I do all the work FOR YOU and you still can’t figure out how wrong you are.

    Try harder. Or don’t come here drunk.

  • Veeter99

    AWOL, *why* are you saying, “The Deck Boards in the Video show the deck boards running Parallel.”

    The video shows them running perpendicular AND parallel.

    It’s like you just GOT here and haven’t even seen the photo I posted with the yellow dots following that first board from the corner of the building to the post that supports the corner of the roof overhang. You can even see THE SHADOW of that post IN THIS PHOTO. The boards that run parallel can’t be seen because they’re to the RIGHT of that post in this photo.

    That’s where the diagonal line begins: AT THE POST! Here it is, AGAIN:

    • AWOL1233

      Veeter the lying troll. You are your own worst enemy. You can still count 2 and a partial of the third board to the right of your yellow line idiota. And guess what they still run perpendicular lmao. The first 4 photos in this article show I am right and you are wrong. The first photo and the fourth photo in this article show that the four deck boards closest to the railing run equal length parallel to the building ending at the post. Your yellow lines run to the base of the post. You can still count 2 and a partial 3rd board to the right of your yellow line all running perpendicular. Don’t even think your piss poor disinformation campaign is working, you bust yourself with your own analyses. Either way, I don’t need to respond any longer, your a shill and a bad one at that. Too many people know this is fake. An interview with Kelli Kolmeier has her stating Swat, FBI, ATF were on the scene and in her apartment within 15 minutes of the shooting time stamp on the video LMAO. The bait shop owner who was open at 6:30 am within 100 feet of the shooting didn’t hear anything, hmmmmmm. The FBI team in Kelli apartment said the shooter left shoes and cigarettes on her deck and that is why they broke in her apartment. So within 15 minutes of the shooting a Federal Agency arrives, associates Shoes and Cigarettes with a shooting suspect that were someone’s deck and breaks into the apartment. Now trollmeister you can’t explain any of this, it was staged, most of the country knows it now. It’s pathetic that you try to continue the lie. This one was just too sloppy and your just a sloppy disinformation reject. FBI in an apartment within 15 minutes of the shooting by recognizing “shoes” and “cigarettes ” of the shooter on a deck in a complex of units. Oh my your too heavily fluoridated if you buy this story. I will wish for you to become a bit more educated in your life in the future, I hate to see people spend an entire lifetime in ignorance. Oh and what about the 10 second delay that is required for live feeds. Hmmmmm guess the person watching the feed didn’t notice the gun the first time it came out or the shootings, they all must have been on a donught break and let the shooting go through. FBI recognized the shoes and cigs of the shooter on someone’s deck 15 minutes after a shooting. Oh man you are a dense troll.

      • Veeter99

        Here you go, AWOL. This is the board that goes from the corner of the building to the post. As you can see, there are plenty of boards on the other side of it running perpendicular to the railing. You can also see the 45 degree angle where the boards that run parallel begin. Click on it to make it larger.

        I hope you’re sober. There’s nothing you can say now unless you just want to try to BS your way out of it.

        • Veeter99

          AWOL, you said, “…it was staged, most of the country knows it now.”

          You just have fun with that, dude.

          It’s not even close to true, but truly; just keep believing it is, because it will help you sleep at night.

          BTW, who told you that? The voices in your head?

  • 1984

    As far as this story being a hoax or real, I’m on the fence. I wasn’t there. I don’t know any of those involved, directly or indirectly. However this ‘debunking’ is no less a work of conjecture and opinion than the hoax theories themselves. You accuse anyone questioning the father and boyfriend in their subsequent media appearances of being “horrible people” and state that it’s “none of their business”. Both of these statements are so immature and amateurish from the standpoint of an unbiased, credible investigation that they undermine your entire attempt at a ‘debunk’, which can therefore be taken with a pinch of salt. Notwithstanding, if it’s plastered on mainstream media 24/7 for days after the event then it’s certainly everyone and anyone’s business to pontificate on the integrity of those involved – whether they be “horrible people” as you so melodramatically claim, or not.

  • Veeter99

    Here you go, AWOL. This is the board that goes from the corner of the building to the post. As you can see, there are plenty of boards on the other side of it running perpendicular to the railing. You can also see the 45 degree angle where the boards that run parallel begin. Click on it to make it larger.

    I hope you’re sober. There’s nothing you can say now unless you just want to try to BS your way out of it. I posted it further down the page, too.

    • Veeter99

      This is the photo that goes with that screencap above and should be posted here, close to it. It also opens larger when you click it.

      The dotted yellow line follows the same board in both pix.

      • Veeter99

        Well, well, well. Someone named Jerry posted a video here 8 DAYS AGO that CLEARLY shows what I’ve been trying to show “AWOL” and others of you. Here’s a screencap from the video. Click to make it larger.

        • AWOL1233

          Oh Oh Oh My you just proved my point or me Veeter. Your yellow line runs up to the post and the next 2 boards are visible to the right of your line showing the parallel yet this photo shows them perpendicular. Oh well, you can try all you want but NOBODY believes this hoax and Keelan lost some viewers as a result of his obvious backing of a govt sponsored hoax. Bravo Balderson for exposing yourself as a corporate shill. You and Alex Jones are obvious Zio freaks.

          • Veeter99

            See my post above from today. Once again, you failed. The post covers up those parallel boards in the aerial photo.

  • Veeter99

    The article successfully refutes your shell casing concern AND your flesh plum concern, too. Did you read the article carefully?

  • Zarko Vukelic

    hey veeter99 what happened to the camera that the gunman was using his left hand is on his pants and his right hand has the gun????

    • Keelan Balderson

      He dropped it? He put it in his pocket? It’s actually pressed underneath his left hand?

      What the hell do you think happened to it? Did it vanish or get poofed by directed energy weapons?

      • Zarko Vukelic

        well he didn’t drop it maybe he did just put it in his pocket

        • Veeter99

          Got any more wild theories, Zarko?

          Where were you gonna go with that one? Hollywood cameraman standing behind the shooter?

      • Mark

        The shooter was still filming when the camera fell.

        This is valid evidence.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    hey veeter99 where is the camera

  • Keelan Balderson

    I’ll be adding all of this to the article at some point, kudos for keeping up with things while I’ve been away. I’ll be sure to credit your username.

    • Veeter99

      You don’t really need to credit me; maybe it would be better if you didn’t, because some of these goobers already think I’m part of the conspiracy.

      I don’t know why they have to resort to that level of desperation; it should be obvious that I’m only here objectively looking for the truth just like they are.

      Wait, that implies there’s some objectivity on their part. I misspoke.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Just wondering Criss Hurst called Allisen Parker his boyfriend is Allisen Parker a Tranny???

    • Zarko Vukelic

      I know this is off the subject I just find it odd that he would say that

      • Veeter99

        You never minded saying stupid stuff before. Why be concerned saying it now?

    • Veeter99

      Another rumor you dug up somewhere? Thanks for jumping to another conclusion.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Alright Keelan just show me any blood photos????????

    • Veeter99

      Zarko, do you want 27 gory crime scene photos to satisfy your bloodlust or have you forgotten what I told you before? The police don’t normally release that kind of stuff to the public.

      Are you just grasping at straws now and trying to waste people’s time?

      You do remember the photo with the blood on the railing beneath Adam, don’t you?

      • Zarko Vukelic

        where the cop with the survey pole is standing is where Vicky Gardener was laying down playing dead with a gun shot wound to the back for 5 minutes according to her. But there is zero evidence of any blood there in fact there is zero evidence of blood anywhere on the upper deck period which makes me conclude that this was a staged event!!!! I enlarged the picture to get a better look at the railing under adam that maybe his blood can’t really tell. But where is Vickys blood on the deck next to it there is non remember she was bleeding out for five minutes . That’s quite a blood loss were is it?????

        • Veeter99

          Sure Zarko, that might not be Adam’s blood. It could be some salsa that somebody spilled on that railing, right? You’re ridiculous. First you want to see blood as evidence that someone was shot, then when shown blood, it’s not good enough for you.

          You and I both know the fact that YOU can’t see blood in that deck photo doesn’t indicate Vicki wasn’t shot. I’m sure there was blood there, but it just doesn’t show in that faraway shot.

          Look in the “New Footage” video I recently posted and you’ll see where the bloody decking was removed and replaced where Vicky and Adam’s bodies were.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            calm down veeter99 not trying to make you mad I just have doubts

          • Veeter99

            I’m not mad at all. It’s just becoming more and more obvious that even IF you were shown 1) all the police crime scene photos, plus 2) Alison’s and Adam’s bodies exhumed from their graves, plus 3) operating room footage of the surgeon operating on Vicki, and 4) maybe even security camera footage right there closeby on that deck with Alison’s and Adam’s bodies twitching as they died…

            …it still wouldn’t be enough to convince you they were shot dead.

            You’d say it was a “Hollywood production” and they were all acting; even the shooter.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            no veeter99 just the xrays of Vicki Gardners gunshot wound and her Alleged wound would enough to shut me up.

          • Veeter99

            I don’t care if you shut up on not, Zarko. You are presenting yourself as a desperate fool here.

            You need to find the x-rays yourself. And proof it was a staged event. Find all this yourself.

            And the reason you need to find these things is to prove you’re not a fool.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            desperate in what way??? I’m just pointing out the complete lack of any of any real evidence. Wonder women Vicki Gardner can end this by showing her ALLEGED WOUND???? and her xray of her ALLEGED WOUND????? guess we are at a stand still till she proves it????

          • Veeter99

            It wouldn’t matter what she showed you, Zarko; you’d say it was a Hollywood makeup job. If she showed the x-rays, you’d say those are from somebody else.

            Thank you for being so funny, Zarko.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            oh veeter99 neither you or me were there. Now that Vicki is doing interviews it’s up to her to prove it not us anymore

          • Zarko Vukelic

            And thanks veeter99 you made lots of good points now it’s time to pound Vicki

          • Veeter99

            You said, “…now it’s time to pound Vicki”

            You’re going for the lowest common denominator response now, Zarko. That will surely prove you’re someone whose opinion is worthy of consideration.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            you weren’t there and I wasn’t there but she was. You failed miserably good try though.

          • Veeter99

            Why are you still here, Zarko?

            You’re supposed to be out there looking for proof this was a hoax. You should be making a plan go to Vicki’s house and knock on the door and ask to see the scars and x-rays.

            Go find your proof and then come back and show us, Zarko.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Having my morning coffee getting ready for work . No time for that now.

          • Veeter99

            No, it’s always up to you to prove it, Zarko.

          • Mark

            It doesn’t look like blood at all. It looks like a normal wood stain, and it doesn’t line up with the body anyway.

            Furthermore, if there was so much blood as to drip down, it would be everywhere, including all over the fixtures below. The steps, etc. It wouldn’t just “stop” in a very small, black circle like that, which if you examine it closely is indeed black and brown, not red.

            What’s even more ludicrous is that there are multiple shots of the victim, with no blood, entry wounds, exit wounds, nothing!

            Stranger than that, where is Allison’s blood? She was also shot on that balcony, yet nothing.

            A “debunker” might say oh it was cleaned up. Cleaned up, while a dead body is sitting there? That’s ludicrous! That’s not how the police operate, in fact, that would be in violation of police proceedings, tampering with a crime scene, criminal negligence, it’s an absurd notion.

            The photographs by themselves are enough to prove this a a 100% hoax, but of course they are just the tip of the iceburg.

            There is a VERY good reason the hoax has gone viral and is now a bigger story than the shooting itself.

            I would suggest to you to learn to examine things without bias, a lens of bias is blinding you to the truth. You don’t want to believe it therefor you are looking past things and lying to yourself.

            Have a nice day.

          • Veeter99

            Again, you’re showing that you’re still wet behind the ears and haven’t read far enough down through these comments. All of what you say, I have successfully refuted because it’s been brought up before.

            Two major things for you because you don’t seem to be the type to open yourself up to disappointment by looking significantly further down this thread: that is EXACTLY what blood would look like on that treated wood and it IS below Adam’s head. Just align a straightedge with the railing supports at the position of his head and it will take you right to that spot. Re: your statement there would be more blood, that’s not true. The heart stops pumping when someone is shot in the head.

            Alison’s blood? You haven’t seen where they replaced the decking? Paste this into the YT search box:

            Updated New Footage taken 8/29/15 of SML WDBJ 7 Shooting site @ Bridgewater Plaza

          • Chester

            Damn! You owned Veeter99!!!!

        • AWOL1233

          VEETER is a Govt troll. And a bad one at that. Probably Jewish / ISraeli because he keeps calling people a FOOL which is a very Jewish thing to do because they consider Goyim Fools. What a loser.

          • Veeter99

            Once again, you lose all credibility when you attack the messenger. EVERY BIT of your speculation about me has been wrong from the start, and you’re really proving yourself to be stupid (and paranoid) by continuing with it.

            You don’t like it that I have OWNED you guys in this thread, and your big idea is to try to smear me?

            You don’t even realize how pathetic that is. You’re like a little kid whining, “That’s not fair!” when they get punished because they got caught doing something wrong. LOL

        • Vee

          Oh Vicki explained that in her interview. The blood probably found their way through the openings of the planks, lmao I don’t see any of her blood below. Hollow point bullet?

      • Mark

        Not 27, but ONE would be nice.

        Also, you should try getting blood stains out of wood sometime, see how that works out for you.

        • Veeter99

          You said, “…you should try getting blood stains out of wood sometime, see how that works out for you.”

          You must be new to this discussion. They didn’t try to get the stains out. It has been stated and shown many times that all bloody decking was removed and replaced.

          You said, “you should try getting blood stains out of wood sometime, see how that works out for you.

          You apparently haven’t seen this photo. There’s the blood on the handrail below Adam’s body. Click on the photo to enlarge it.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Just watched another video of Vicki Gardner on you-tube “TV Shooting Vicki Gardner Speaks Out | Today” 7:05 min interview from the 20likes and the 3210 dislikes and the 1518 comments no one is buying her story and either do I PERIOD!!!!!!

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Vicky Gardner just sunk your debunking Keelan Balderson

      • Veeter99

        You just keep believing that, Zarko. It’s proof you’re the gullible one.

    • Veeter99

      Yes, those 3210 dislikes, there’s your proof, Zarko. Thank goodness you’re here to steer everyone toward truth.

      Where did “AWOL” go, Zarko? Did you give him the weekend off?

      • AWOL1233

        That is a sheetload of people who disliked the video. I say that is pretty impressive. The world is awake now Veeter. You can try all you want but it is futile. Loser

        • Veeter99

          No, you’re just being an idiot again. The fact that a lot of people voted the video down doesn’t mean they’re right. There are a lot more of you conspiracy idiots going all over YouTube, etc. looking for reasons to keep believing this was a hoax. That’s where all those “vote downs” came from.

          Were all the people that voted for Obama right?

          See how that works? LOL

          • Zarko Vukelic

            did you read the comments???? no one is buying this bullshit and neither am I !!!

          • Veeter99

            I read quite a few of them. It’s a bunch of people just like you congratulating each other and it’s easy to see what their thinking process is.

            They are manipulating every bit of evidence and testimony in their minds to MAKE IT FIT THEIR preconceived notions.

            That’s a form of stupidity and it’s obvious they are locked in to their beliefs. Everything that challenges their beliefs has to be made fun of and those who disagree are named as sheeple.

          • Mark

            You’re wrong.

            Very few, if any, videos prior to this shooting of alleged conspiracies have this kind of support behind them.

            It’s no longer just a fringe of “conspiracy theorists” as you’d like to believe.

            It’s now gone viral, and folks like me, who are not conspiracy theorists have learned about it and agree resoundingly that it is indeed a hoax.

          • Veeter99

            You’re trying to deflect. I wasn’t talking about anything but the number of conspiracy hounds that are “all over” this event. And there are TONS of goobers with YT channels posting VERY weak “proof” that this was a hoax. Just click around on YT; you’ll see them.

            If you want to see one of the weakest of the bunch, just paste this in the YT search box; 35 seconds and this loser thinks he proved something:

            BUSTED! Virginia Anchor Shooting SIDE BY SIDE! Case of the FAKE FLOORBOARDS

      • Zarko Vukelic

        Sorry veeter99 your debunking has bin a total ABJECT FAILURE when you dropped the ball with Vicki Gardner

    • AWOL1233

      Zarko I saw that. NOBODY is buying this hoax. This was the one that opened everyones eyes to question all the previous hoaxes. That must be some sort of record for likes vs dislikes LMAO.

  • AWOL1233

    Kelli Kohlmeier stated the FBI and SWAT were in her apartment within 15 minutes of the shooting, they claimed they broke into her apartment because they found the shooters shoes and cigarretes on her balcony. WTF. A ramdom pair of shoes and cigarettes are matched to a shooter they had NO IDEA OR DESCRIPTION of. LMAO. Did the cigarettes have a manifesto written on the pack. Did the FBI and SWAT team enter a time travel portal to be inside someones apartment within 15 minutes of a shooting LMAO. This blows it all out of the water. IT WAS A HOAX.

  • Veeter99

    AWOL, you said, ” Your yellow line runs up to the post and the next 2 boards are visible to the right of your line showing the parallel yet this photo shows them
    perpendicular.”

    Yeah, but TOO BAD FOR YOU, in that aerial photo that you have been putting ALL of your money on (I’m posting it here again), the board with the yellow dots on it is the only one that is visible all the way to the edge of the deck. The next two can’t be seen because the post supporting the roof covers them. The last 8 inches or more is where those parallel boards ARE, genius.

    Thanks for trying to BS your way out of it just like I predicted.

    • AWOL1233

      Veeter Bladerson you are a true idiota. You can clearly see the next two deck boards and partial 3rd. You can see them but up to the railing but you can see them pretty close to the railing and in the videos those deck boards are running PARALLEL not perpendicular. Nice try Keenan I mean Veeter

      • Veeter99

        I thought you might try to BS your way out of it, and you did, but you’re dead wrong.

        In the aerial photo, the first board (the one with the dots) is the *only* one that can be seen butt up to the post. You *can* see the second one get kind of close, but the third can’t be seen any closer than 1 ft.

        And as anyone can see in this photo (below), the first AND second board go all the way (click for larger). Then the parallel boards start. You gave it your best shot, AWOL; but it wasn’t good enough. Sorry.

        And you’re still wrong on me being connected to Keelan in any way. I’m not. That’s just you being desperate again.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    just watched those short clips on this site of the alleged shell casings flying through the air Those are bugs flying through the air not shell casings. There goes another debunk veeter99

    • Veeter99

      It’s now very clear what you’re doing, Zarko. All you’re doing is posting BS as a way to move stuff down the page and try to change the subject. When something you or AWOL posts is successfully debunked, this is your way of trying to make it disappear, because you never have anything valid in response.

      It’s desperate and it doesn’t help your case. It has the opposite effect.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        OH veeter99 bugs flying through the air is not shell casings

        Woohooooeeeeewwweeeeee!

        • Veeter99

          Please continue doing exactly what I said you’re doing. Being stupid is the best way to prove your point.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Stupid is you believing this BULLSHIT LIE

          • Veeter99

            My mind is still open on this entire thing, like I’ve said many times. But you guys are so unconvincing and haven’t been able to come up with any common sense points that prove this is a hoax. But keep saying, “it’s BS, it’s a lie” and maybe that will convince me. LOL

            Bugs flying down towards the deck. How desperate can you get, Zarko?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            It’s posted on this site check it out you know the alleged shell casings that Keelan Balderson is PEDALING.

          • Veeter99

            Where is it, Zarko? Who posted it? Help me find it.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            just scroll up the page till you see a garden hose flash video that has liveleak logo on it

          • Veeter99

            Just how is it that you KNOW that’s bugs?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            shell casings fall in arc physics 101 they don’t fly in a straight line like a bug. look all the examples of real shell casings in the other videos posted on this site they all fall in an arc they don’t go shooting straight out the side like a bullet.that blur was caused by the bugs wings flaping

  • http://swordandscale.com/ Sword and Scale

    Incredibly intelligent, thorough and insightful analysis, as always. Thanks, Keelan!

    • Keelan Balderson

      Thanks for the support. I’m swimming in a sea of craziness down here lol.

  • Mark

    The only person who has jumped the gun here is WideShutUK.

    All this so called “debunking” is very weak, and further evidence has surfaced that proves the VA shooting hoax.

    Why make an article this quickly before all the evidence is out or before proper analysis is done, and then attack others for doing the same? Talk about hypocrisy and having an agenda.

    • Veeter99

      It’s very easy to just say those things, but it’s not easy to back up your claims.

      • Mark

        Where would you like me to begin?

        • Veeter99

          Begin wherever you wish, but before you do, please do what I asked just above.

          I do not care to rehash ground I have already covered (several times in some cases).

  • Skotch

    This is the worst debunk ever. The videos only tell half the lie. The real proof of deception is in the interviews and it’s in the hearts of those who care to look closely. I know death and I know the truth when I hear it. There was no death here, and certainly no truth.

    The fact you have yourself a debunk site after 4 days of the shooting, tells you much… Wake up Keelan, before they take all your freedoms.

    • Veeter99

      You said, “The fact you have yourself a debunk site after 4 days of the shooting tells you much…”

      And you’re just gonna overlook the fact that DURING THOSE FOUR DAYS, the conspiracy goobers spewed out mountains of “speculation” and “evidence” indicating they believed this was a hoaxed event?

      Yeah, there’s nothing WACKO about THAT level of insanity. Not at ALL.

      LOL! Keep trying, you’re hilarious.

      • Skotch

        Veeter99,

        I notice you hop to every comment, EVERY comment and put in your two cents and you’ve been doing it for awhile now. Long-winded explanations about nothing except your own opinion.

        Why lad? Why you, and not Keelan? You may have noticed I addressed Keelan, not you. So unless you’re Keelan, you can kindly piss off.

        • Veeter99

          I’m not Keelan. I don’t know Keelan and I don’t know why he’s not responding to you or anyone else.

          None of us here knew why he wasn’t commenting for awhile, but he recently popped back in and said he was on vacation.

          Why do I comment? Why does anyone? I’m just enjoying discussing this.

          Long-winded, you say? I’m merely trying to be thorough in my responses; there’s nothing wrong with that and it should be obvious that I’m seriously and objectively looking at all angles.

          You said, “…unless you’re Keelan, you can kindly piss off.” It’s hilarious that you have to resort to childishness because you can’t defend your position, but take notice: I’ll comment whenever I desire, sir.

          • Mark

            Forcing your preconceived ideas on people and calling them names if they don’t agree with you is not discussion, it’s trolling.

          • Veeter99

            I’m not “forcing” anything on anyone, and certainly no more than you did in your first post above. Reread it and you’ll see you spewed one or more preconceived ideas in every sentence. See how that works?

            I held out for a very long time in this thread before I began using derogatory language. You’ll see this if you read significantly further down.

            And perhaps I shouldn’t have, but I grew tired of others using it on me and gave in. I also grew very tired of them using repetition, dodging points I had made, and using poorly thought out processes to present their points.

            Seriously, read far down through the thread, through many “Load more comments”…I think you’ll be glad you did. It’s instructive.

          • Mark

            No. Preconceived ideas are making a conclusion 3 days after the event and then using flimsy arguments to dismiss every point as they come in.

            A rationale, unbiased person would admit when something is strange, when things don’t add up.

            None of my comments have any preconceived ideas. I operate on facts and evidence, not dismissing things “just because”.

            How long have you been at this by the way?

            I also did not use any rude language in my original post nor the proceeding posts.

          • Veeter99

            You said, “Preconceived ideas are making a conclusion 3 days after the event and then using flimsy arguments to dismiss every point as they come in.”

            That is exactly what the hoax believers have done, however they began it sooner than 3 days after the event.

            Until you read far down through the comments, you won’t know that none of my comments have had any preconceived ideas, either.

          • Skotch

            Veeter99, don’t kid yourself. You’re all over this forum, with ONE idea and that’s you’re right and everyone else is wrong. Take a look at your posts. All you do is vomit out conjecture and call anyone with a different opinion crazy. That’s not discussion, that’s being a shill. It doesn’t matter to me any, you want to say the sky is yellow when we say it’s blue, go for it.

            I’m thinking you don’t really have a life and so you’re here. Feel sorry for you lad. I’ll be moving on now.

          • Veeter99

            Skotch, I have engaged the questions and counterpoints being made by the hoax believers. So far none of them have presented any compelling, common sense ideas that hold up to logical thinking.

            That’s not me vomitting out conjecture, as you assert.

            Also, when I challenge their ideas and they fail to respond or try to change the subject, how is that MY problem?

            It’s not. If they can’t successfully defend their ideas, why should anyone take them seriously?

          • Mark

            Then you need to leave here.

            Why do you care so much about the comments section? Besides me and a handful of others, you’re not going to find much intelligent discussion in any comments section anywhere.

            If you’ve yet to see any compelling evidence or arguments, you have not been looking. The hoax is all over the internet. It’s now a bigger story than the shooting itself ever was.

          • Veeter99

            You said, “Then you need to leave here.”

            Interesting. So your solution to your and your fellow hoax believers’ inability to successfully defend your ideas is essentially censorship. That’s pretty desperate of you.

            Then, “Why do you care so much about the comments section? Besides me and a handful of others, you’re not going to find much intelligent discussion in any comments section anywhere.”

            Why do YOU care? Seriously, are you trying to make the case I’m part of the conspiracy? I’m not. Have you asked yourself why these other posters care? No, that’s off limits, right?

            And lastly, you said, “If you’ve yet to see any compelling evidence or arguments, you have not been looking. The hoax is all over the internet. It’s now a bigger story than the shooting itself ever was.”

            What you say is true (that there are lots of discussions about this on the net), but I have yet to see anything that proves it was a hoaxed event, or makes compelling points that stand up to logical, critical thinking and analysis.

          • Mark

            No, you misinterpreted what I was saying.

            I said, if you “have yet to see any compelling evidence or arguments” THEN you need to leave here. That is what I meant. Read it again. I’m saying that if you haven’t yet, then you need to go out and see for yourself, it’s all over the internet. Get it now?

            Anyways, chew on the comments I’ve left you, and take care.

          • Veeter99

            Mark, you said, “whether or not that held water is of little difference now, as I’ve just given you plenty of compelling evidence and discussion to read, but like Skotch, I really must be going. Keep your eyes and mind open.
            Peace.”

            You guys give up way too quickly. That points to one thing: you’re unwilling and/or unable to successfully defend your ideas.

            Also, where have you given me “plenty of compelling evidence and discussion to read?” I don’t see where you’ve done that.

            So if you’re just gonna run away now, let me say to you, if you come back, I welcome discussing this with you, but please, first, do what I asked so we don’t cover ground that has already been covered here.

          • Veeter99

            I knew you weren’t just talking about the comments here and were also referring to “out there.” That’s why I said:

            What you say is true (that there are lots of discussions about this on the net), but I have yet to see anything that proves it was a hoaxed event, or makes compelling points that stand up to logical, critical thinking and analysis.

          • Mark

            That’s not true.

            Prior to talking to you, I was on here a total of 5 minutes, with a handful of short, concise points made and that’s it.

    • Keelan Balderson

      “a debunk site after 4 days of the shooting”

      I have ran this site for years and only a few of the articles are debunkings.

  • Jo Grisaffi

    The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they are unwilling to reconsider their views when presented with facts, to be intelligent is to listen to both sides and make a well informed opinion, unbiased – not charge forward relentlessly, blind siding everyone who challenges it. Unfortunately these people will never be able to do this.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    A FYING MOTH IS NOT EVIDENCE OF SHELL CASINGS

    • Keelan Balderson

      haha a moth? That’s how desperate you’ve become?

      So big shell casing-esque objects flying out to the right as we’d expect from a glock and then falling to the floor, are moths in your mind?

      Is the moon also cheese?

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Published on Aug 27, 2015VIRGINIA
    WDBJ TV NEWS REPORTER SHOOTING SUPPOSEDLY HAPPENED AT 6:46am EDT on
    August 26, 2015. WDBJ TV STATION’S WEBSITE POSTED A NEWS ARTICLE ON
    “KILLINGS” OF ITS REPORTER AND CAMERAMAN AT LOCAL TIME 7:27 AM EDT on
    Aug 26, 2015.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      SOOOOOO It took less than 45 minutes to post a news story and if you read the comments some of these posts are around 5am talking of the horrible event DEBUNK THAT KEELAN AND VEEETER99

      • Veeter99

        Seems like you’re a little overexcited about this one, Zarko. I’m guessing it’ll end up being nothing like the others.

        Is there a YT video on this? Got a title?

        BTW, how long do you think it takes for a professional webmaster to post a news article on a website?

        Please lighten up on the all caps posting; I don’t know how long you’ve been around the internet, but you should have heard by now that it’s very bad form. It’s considered crass in the same way as someone walking into a room and talking through a bullhorn.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          LOL of course I do SILLY LOL

          • Veeter99

            That’s just a lot of big talk from you like always.

            You’ve made five posts talking about this video, but still can’t prove it exists. I don’t know, Zarko; I think you’re in trouble. There seems to be zero evidence this video exists.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            copy and paste his name enjoy lol start with youtube

          • Zarko Vukelic

            This whole LIE is falling APART LOL

          • Veeter99

            Put down the megaphone and stop laughing, Zarko. You’re gonna make people think you’re an idiot.

            We can’t have that.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Woohooooeeeeewwweeeeee! LOL

          • Zarko Vukelic

            I don’t care bullshit is bullshit

          • Zarko Vukelic

            As far as I’m concerned this whole thing was SCRIPTED

          • Veeter99

            How much have you had to drink tonight, Zarko?

            Be honest now. Don’t BS me. Remember, you’re a staunch advocate for truth, eh?

          • Veeter99

            How much have you had to drink tonight, Zarko?

            Be honest now. Don’t BS me. Remember, you’re a staunch advocate for truth, eh?

          • Veeter99

            I already tried the name. Got nothing. I need the name of the video, Zarko.

            Why are you laughing? You don’t have anything to laugh about.

            BTW, you’re in Canada; don’t you guys have enough troubles of your own? I can’t figure out why you’re so obsessed with us.

            Are you following things in the Middle East these days? There’s lots more danger to you from that part of the world, you know.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            they US is next door they aren’t fuck them

          • Zarko Vukelic

            its called the INTERNET Veeter99 I Watch what I WANT not what’s PUSHED ON ME!!!!!

    • Keelan Balderson

      It’s the same timezone issue as the Twitter post.

      It makes no sense for the so called conspirators to post comments before the incident lol.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    and this GEM comes from YT futurevideos10 THANKS FOR THE WORK BIG GUY!!!!!

  • Zarko Vukelic

    PUT THAT IN YOUR DEBUNKING HAT KEELAN AND VEERTER99

  • Veeter99

    Ladies and gentlemen, I may have discovered what is wrong (and that HAS been wrong) with Zarko:

    Alcohol abuse.

    Read through our “discussion” that took place tonight and give me your impressions.

    It was moving right along until I asked him how much he’d had to drink tonight, then he clammed up.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      I had to answer the front door than I had company the rest of the night. watch youtube video “FAKE COMMENTS POSTED BEFORE VIRGINA FAKE LIVE TV SHOOTING”

      • Veeter99

        How much did you have to drink last night, Zarko? You were really acting crazy.

        Be honest now. Don’t BS me. Remember, you’re a staunch advocate for truth, eh?

        • Zarko Vukelic

          You bullshit liar never seen any of those posts piss tank liar prove it

          • Veeter99

            I posted it in the comments at the futurevideo10 video you told me to go watch. The one with this title:

            FAKE COMMENTS POSTED BEFORE VIRGINIA FAKE LIVE TV SHOOTING HAPPENS LOL

            Be sure to click “Read more” because part of it doesn’t show.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            All right did you even watch it???

          • Veeter99

            ^^^ Look up there above this section, Zarko. I already told you I watched it and I told you I posted some questions for futurevideo10 to investigate further.

            Then you told me you didn’t see where I posted the questions to him. You said, “You bullshit liar never seen any of those posts piss tank liar”

            You don’t remember saying that?

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Just because your a piss tank dose not mean everyone is like you grow the fuck up

      • AWOL1233

        Zarko, great find on the video. its totally fake shooting. Many Virginians are now starting to ask questions to the Sherrifs office. Too fake, don’t let Veeter/Keenan burst your bubble, you nailed it.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    I watched a youtube video called “FAKE COMMENTS POSTED BEFORE VIRGINA FAKE LIVE TV SHOOTING” which pretty well proves that this was a staged event A Must Watch, if this dosen’t throw a WTF in your mind nothing will.And veeter99 lay of the booze tonight silly man.

    • Veeter99

      I watched the video. I don’t think it’s anything that should be
      taken as proof, but I’m open to the possibility. I commented to
      “futurevideo10” with some questions he can use for further
      investigation into it.

      But, you haven’t answered my question, Zarko.

      How much did you have to drink last night? You were really acting crazy, and it got progressively worse as time went on.

      Be honest now. Don’t BS me. Remember, you’re a staunch advocate for truth, eh?

      • Zarko Vukelic

        nice try I don’t drink

        • Veeter99

          Does that mean either you’re that crazy (and were maybe off your meds last night), or was it meth or something else?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            What ever piss tank

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Still have seen none of your posts piss tank

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Proof it

          • Veeter99

            “Proof” what, Zarko?

            You’re not making sense.

          • Veeter99

            What are you talking about NOW?

  • JHOT 247

    Listen, the people who can dismiss everything so easily and name drop on those who might not buy the authorized story are perfectly indoctrinated, truth is a foreign concept to them, if it didn’t come from the TV it’s as good as “nuts” or “crazy” These are people who aren’t informed on anything substantial, facts, statistics don’t matter to them, you can’t waste your energy trying to make them believe, most of the time what it comes down to is people getting indignant because the non-believers are not getting indignant on the matter, they don’t care, they have their fantasy bubble, comfort zone, and as long as nothing punctures that, they simply do not care. I for one seen a pattern emerging with these “shootings” years ago, it’s DEF. agenda laden. The media and politics go hand in hand, agendas are behind these “shootings” plain and simple, and the TV is the greatest weapon/tool ever devised, and the government uses it to the MAX, to sway public opinion, they work on you, slowly, fabian style, until people start uttering, “ya know what tom, i think they need to do something about these guns, it’s getting out of hand” and eventually they pass the bill, take your guns, and move on to the next agenda.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      I like how veeter99 and keelan attack anyone that has doubts I have a thick skin I don’t care

      • Veeter99

        Zarko, perhaps I shouldn’t have said some of the things I’ve said to you, but you’ve been acting absolutely nuts.

        Another thing you do is you ignore when someone responds to you further down the page and instead, you reply at the top of the page, which makes you look even crazier and in fact, I think all you’re doing is trying to move the comments downward like you’re trying to hide the place where you had no viable response.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Holly fuck cut back on your booze intake Lol

          • Zarko Vukelic

            I’m starting think that you where born an idiot good luck with that

          • Zarko Vukelic

            All mouth and no proof

          • Veeter99

            You need to go knock on Vicky Gardner’s door and ask to see her scars and her x-rays, Zarko.

            You, not me.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            What for i its a lie

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Piss tank what else

          • Veeter99

            Zarko, you need to put all these “thoughts” in one post instead of cluttering up the comments section. You’re literally posting a new thought once a minute.

            Do you know how to edit a comment and add or change something? All you have to do is look at the bottom of your post and you’ll see Edit. Just click on that and your post will open back up and you can type more.

            This stuff you’re doing now makes you look like a crazy person.

          • Veeter99

            I’m not drinking, Zarko, but you’re still not making sense. Why is that?

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Agreed

    • Veeter99

      JHOT, I don’t believe everything I see on TV, and as I have said many times here, I’m open to being persuaded that this shooting was hoaxed.

      But after carefully looking at each aspect of it, and reading the responses of the hoax believers here, I don’t see any common sense, logical way I can believe it was a hoaxed event.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Long winded put true agreed

      • Veeter99

        Zarko, you already agreed to what JHOT said. You did it 4 hours ago.

        It’s right below. Did you forget?

  • Clockwork Orange

    There are 3 possibilities here:

    1: This is a real shooting. Adam Ward and Alison Parker are dead.

    A: The cell phone (which must have been extremely cheap or very old) missed the shell ejections, but somehow not the muzzle flare.
    a1: Vester missed the first 3 shots aimed at Alison.

    B: Vicki Gardner and Alison Parker didn’t think Vester was a threat and so didn’t even bother to look at him directly and see the raised gun.

    C: And Parker and Chris Hurst, both professionals in front of a camera, kept a strong appearance, but were in shock, therefore, slightly irrational. All of their grief was off camera several days after.

    D: Vicki Gardner was shot in a non-lethal region of the back and recovered well.

    E: Keli Kohlmeier is a liar and lied to Doomsday in her interview.

    F: The media has ceased giving attention to the story out of respect.

    ***************************************************************************************************

    2: This shooting was a false flag to stir racism and stiffen gun control. Alison, Adam and Vester are in Tahiti drinking Mai Tai’s by the beach.

    A: Vester used a non-gun which didn’t get the edited for shell casings like the WDBJ cameraman’s camera did.
    a1: Because it was a non-gun, Alison, presumably shot, did not correctly react with bullet impact.

    B: Vicki, Alison and Adam were well aware of Vester’s presence and acted accordingly to a script.

    C: Andy Parker and Chris Hurst are terrible actors, who wanted to validate the race war and gun control agenda: Andy Parker: “Gun Control: Whatever it Takes” Chris Hurst: “We had a WHITE hot love”

    D: Vicki was never shot, but needed to validate the story and was expedited onto TV for interviews to re-stimulate our need for gun laws.

    E: Keli Kohlmeier is telling the truth.

    F: The media has sunk the story, repressed further investigation, evidence etc. because too many people are calling it a hoax.

    ******************************************************************************************************

    3: The shooting was a false flag, but Adam, Alison and Vester are really dead, because the shooting really happened.

    A: Vester, like EVERY other mass shooting culprit was being treated for depression and anxiety. He took medication and saw a psychiatrist.

    B: CIA Psychiatrists are capable of “implanting” memories and hidden commands into medicated subjects under hypnosis. See Aurora shooting, Sandy Hook Shooter etc. etc. Both killers were seeing psychiatrists and heavily medicated.

    C: Vester was programmed to carry out the shooting and did.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Bullshit never seen it happen

      • Clockwork Orange

        Which possibility are you referring to Zarko?

        • Veeter99

          If you’ll notice that Zarko responded to JHOT 247’s post below by asserting it is “long winded,” you may rightfully conclude that your post possibly looks like “War and Peace” to him.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Number 2

          • Zarko Vukelic

            I have fired lots of guns on a gun range and never seen a musle flash in the day time and all the guns had a kick back but not Veesters why is that? Becuase this is a staged event that’s why

          • Keelan Balderson

            I have shown you plenty of examples of muzzle flash in the light.

          • Veeter99

            I’d be willing to bet Zarko was too much of a coward to look at those videos. I’d also put money on a bet that he never read the article. His mind is already made up and he’s afraid to expose his brain to information that could make him think hard.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            your right veeter99 if it’s longer than 5 hours im not watching it in one night go back to bed piss tank your right

          • Veeter99

            Zarko, did you watch the videos in the article? They showed muzzle flash during daylight hours. Watch all of them. Much less than this 5 hours thing you’re whining about.

            Also, *did* you read the article? A simple yes or no will do.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            unlike you guys in the UK I have fired real guns in a gun range never seen a flash from any of the guns in the day time and they all had kick back nice try

          • Veeter99

            Zarko, I’m not in the UK, and please answer the questions I asked.

            1) Did you read the article? A simple yes or no will do.

            2) Did you watch the videos in the article? I’m not referring to the shooter’s video, I’m talking about the 4 YT videos showing Glocks being fired in daylight.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            yes I did to both so my real life experience is bullshit is that what you are trying to say,grow the fuck up piss tank go back to bed

          • Zarko Vukelic

            entertain me what YT video is your prime video that you are referring to ????

          • Veeter99

            You’re going to have to clarify yourself. It’s impossible to tell what you’re asking.

          • Veeter99

            Zarko, I can’t understand what you’re saying half the time. Are you saying you DID watch all four videos in Keelan’s article? All of them show muzzle flash in daylight. So your claim that you have never seen muzzle flash in daylight leads me to ask you this:

            Do you blink as each shot goes off? I think that could be what’s happening in your case.

          • Veeter99

            Number 2 is “Bullshit never seen it happen”? What do you mean by that, Zarko?

    • Veeter99

      Clockwork O, those are three very well thought out scenarios, and will provide a lot for everyone to think about. Thanks for the thought and effort. Have you posted this elsewhere, and if so, 1) how long ago and 2) has anyone proposed any additional scenarios? I can’t think of any at the moment.

      • Clockwork Orange

        I’ve not posted this anywhere, still collecting information. Nothing is true until both sides can agree that what is, is. I see there’s two sides here battling about what’s true and what’s not and I understand both perspectives and until an evidence emerges which commands an absolute truth to the matter, the differing ideas will continue.

        The strongest argument FOR the hoax is the absence of blood, bullet impact, shell casings and Alison Parker’s body. Also a disparity of reactions from family and friends. The lack of crime scene photos is also questionable. Not to mention, the one crime scene photo they do have where they are snapping photos of Adam Ward’s body, it clearly shows the photographer standing on what later is replaced boards. Which means they were standing on blood evidence, which is a violation of crime scene protocol.

        The strongest argument AGAINST the hoax is the combined videos and testimonials from police, family and friends that say it “did” happen. Obviously, if the people who were there say it happened, there isn’t anyway someone not there, could argue without adequate counter-proof.

        It is inconceivable to believe that “everyone” involved could be part of an elaborate conspiracy to strip the US of 2nd amendment rights and fuel a race war.

        However, as the old saying goes.. if there’s smoke, there’s fire. There is definitely something “off” about the shooting scenario, what “it” is, is the problem and why so many have come up to question it.

        It’s the very same way when someone tells you a lie, but they use enough truth to make you believe it, and yet, in the back of your mind, you question… You know something is wrong, but you don’t know what that something is…

        I am inclined to believe that Alison Parker, Adam Ward and Vester Flanagan have departed from this world, but that there is something insidious behind it all.

        Vester Flanagan was supposedly set off into a murderous rage due to the Charleston shootings. He was himself, a victim of racism, at least according to his own point of view. He’d been stewing for 2 years since being fired from WDBJ and after the Charleston shootings, he decided he’d had enough. His first impulse was to buy two Glock 9mm’s. Why two? We’ll never know. Months after the purchase of his firearms, he formulated a plot to kill Adam Ward and Alison Parker… Why Alison? Pretty blonde, said something racist against him, even though she wasn’t working there when he was. I don’t know how that works out, but she is dead and can’t explain.

        At 5:39AM that very day of August 26th, WDBJ showed Alison giving a pre-interview to Vicki Gardner LIVE on TV and she explained that they were going to film the official announcement interview for the 50th anniversary of the Bridgewater plaza, “once there was enough light.”

        Vester, already set up to kill, hopped into his car and drove there from his apartment. He got to the scene, took out his cell, and began recording what he thought would be a noble strike into the heart of racism, and also a perfect way to exact his vengeance upon those who wronged him.

        None of this may be true. We can’t know for certain, until there is a piece of paramount evidence which ends all debates.

        My belief here is that both sides to this argument are right, but for different reasons. Yes, they are all dead. Yes, it was a staged event.

        How?

        It’s called Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis. (PDH)

        It’s how terrorists are made in foreign countries.

        Created by psychiatrists in the 1st and 2nd World War, also the Cold War. PDH is a way to “implant” commands into the mind of a subject, which given certain triggers, they will enact without once questioning their own actions.

        Every mass shooter in the last 20 years has been on psychiatric meds and seen a psychiatrist. Look it up.

        Psychiatry is evil.

        • Veeter99

          More excellent thought and analysis, Clockwork O. Thank you for your contributions.

          I had not heard about the televised pre-interview at 5:39 AM, but earlier in this discussion several wondered how the shooter could have known that Alison and Adam were going to be there and I offered that most local early morning shows will talk about what is coming up during the show.

          I also didn’t know that Alison wasn’t working at the station when the shooter worked there. Maybe his prime target was Adam. It’s certainly an established fact that the shooter was mentally unstable and bitter at WDBJ, and beyond the fact that his actions were horrendous and unlike what anyone of normal mind and temperament would do, we will never fully know all of the factors that caused him to do what he chose to do.

          One wonders where he was headed and what his plans were as he left the scene in the rental car. Perhaps he wanted to exact some revenge against the Baltimore PD. Have you had any thoughts on that?

  • Jay Gatsby

    This is an OBVIOUS fake! The fact that a non-gun was used is the only argument needed to prove this was a hoax. No shell casing and no recoil equals a fake gun was used. Why are you people going back and forth over all of this other bullshit when all one needs to see is that a fake gun was used. Fake gun, end of story. Complete hoax.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      I have bin saying this was a hoax for a while. Watch a youtube video called “FAKE COMMENTS POSTED BEFORE VIRGINA FAKE LIVE TV
      SHOOTING” which pretty well proves that this was a staged event A Must
      Watch, if this dosen’t throw a WTF in your mind nothing will

      • Jay Gatsby

        Thank you for the info but fuck that shit.. I know it is fake and all one needs to see is there is no recoil, and no shell casings ejected. Don’t get caught up in all the other bullshit. Stick with the fact no brass was ejected and the case is closed. Fight the good fight Zarko, don’t fall for Keelan’s or Veeter’s misdirection, straw man argument. No brass equals kiss my ass.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          still worth a watch and I totally agree with you

          • Jay Gatsby

            Zarko, there is really no point with arguing with this libtard from California. This guy couldn’t win a debate if it were held in a morgue and he was the only one with a pulse.

          • Veeter99

            Tell me where you got that “libtard from California” BS, Gatsby.

            Let’s hear it. Be careful now, you’re about to prove yourself a liar. Remember, you said you read all the comments.

          • Jay Gatsby

            That’s funny, the only one having a meltdown is you.. This is the 3rd sidestep from you. You know what, if I were you, I would be scared too.. It’s ok Veets. Just bow your head in defeat and accept the role of a loser. I have successfully defeated you in your assertation that you have systematically defeated all who oppose your opinion with the absolute fact that no shell casing was ejected. You just go on and on getting whooped up in these comments. The gun did not eject a shell casing, end of story old sport.

          • Veeter99

            I haven’t sidestepped at all, nor am I scared.

            But you just sidestepped me because you know you can’t back up your “libtard from CA” BS. You shut up real quick on that one didn’t you, redneck?

            Where’d you get it?

            You *didn’t* read all the comments, did you?

            BTW, when you finish reading my reply to your “no recoil” BS up there, I’m sure you’ll want to rewatch the shooter’s video a few times and get back to me.

          • Jay Gatsby

            Oh golly gee… You know, there is a whole wide world beyond Google, and spell check. Pick up a real book and put the kindle down. Let me help you out a little bit you typical millennial. You said that there is no such word as assertation but then you deleted your comment because you got owned again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            assertation
            noun as·ser·ta·tion ˌa-sər-ˈtā-shən

            plural as·ser·ta·tions

            Definition of ASSERTATION

            : the act of asserting or something that is asserted : assertion

            You aren’t the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree huh? Keep sidestepping me, that’s ok. You can’t hang with me. It’s ok to be from California, it was once a great state, but libtards like you ruined it. You’re a little touchy on that, why? Are tired of getting owned by me yet? That’s ok, sidestep away sir. Sidestep away.

          • Veeter99

            I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong, Gatsby. Unlike you. That’s why I edited it. I checked and it’s a real word, but “assertion” is the preferred and most common usage.

            I see you’re still sidestepping me on your pathetic “libtard from CA” BS. You just love making stuff up, apparently. I’ve seen your type on the internet before. All mouth and no substance.

            I’ve never even visited CA. Never been closer than Arizona.

            And you’re wrong about the libtard thing, too. But then you were making that up, too. Evidence you didn’t read all the comments like you claimed you did.

            You’re wrong about the millenial thing, too. You’re 0 for 3. Looks like you’re gonna have to go back down to the minors.

            Please continue being stupid. Like I said before, it’s entertaining.

          • Paul F. Spagnoli

            Wow, you got owned…

          • Veeter99

            Your friend Gatsby says, “Thanks.”

            However, by any logical, rational evaluation, you’re just blowing smoke.

            Is trolling something you do frequently?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            but veeter99 loves to insult anyone that has doubts I starting to wonder if this piss tank was born an Idiot cause he only hears what he wants to hear, and you can’t burst his bubble

        • Veeter99

          You don’t seem to know what “straw man” means, but after reading your first three posts here, full of 4-letter words and cheap dismissal, that’s not surprising.

          It’s obvious you’re just another goober with a megaphone who thinks he looks cool wading into the shallow end of the pool, shouting nonstop with nothing to say. Like Zarko.

          Very unimpressive. All of the things you’re saying have already been successfully refuted here, but you’re so late to the party and so low on I.Q., you’ll probably never read far enough down through the comments to find out. And you’re obviously too stupid to care.

          Welcome to the jungle, dude. It’s easy to tell you’re just here to fling poo and you don’t have the skills to discuss the issues.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            go back to bed piss tank lol

          • Veeter99

            ^^^ Still acting like a crazy person. Please continue so anyone who comes here can see what type of person a hoax believer really is. Gatsby, too.

          • Jay Gatsby

            HAHAHAHAAAA!! Your pomposity is unbecoming. You cannot refute the fact about the fake gun so you stoop to name calling and degradation, laminating my point of your straw man argument. I’ve read every comment. You have been owned from the start.. I chuckled many times at your inability to actually win an argument when confronted with the non-gun. You have no recourse but to name call. I have not once said anything negative about your Intelligence Quotient. I have not once said anything negative about you period. You can’t win the non-gun argument so I guess that’s all I can expect from the likes of you is name calling and degradation. You’re one hell of a keyboard warrior but if you actually said something like that to my face, I’d teach you some manners.
            You think just because you say that you refuted everything doesn’t mean you actually did.. Again, I’ve read every comment and your main explanation for no brass is, “low resolution” on the camera…? Nobody is buying that horseshit. You have been outwitted many times over in the comments and filibuster the most salient points. What is your gain in this? Are you vying for a spot on CNN like Barbara Starr? (google her people) Thank you for your high level debate. I win because you cannot refute the fact that a non-gun was used. Any other subject you would like to get owned on, please let me know… I opened the door for you on the Boston bombing but you were smart enough not to step through as the backpacks did not match, so I’ll leave the next subject up to you.

          • Veeter99

            Just like I thought, you’re just another goober who’s representing the my-mind’s-made-up, jump-to-conclusions hoax believers. And to add more credibility to your post, you say you want to teach me some manners. Too funny, redneck.

            Whether you admit it or not, all the “non-gun” objections have been successfully refuted.

            And I see you haven’t brought *anything new* to the table. Well, except maybe your claim there is no evidence of recoil. That’s all the evidence anyone needs to know you can’t handle the truth.

            If you can’t see his hand, wrist, and arm responding to each shot, you’re in serious denial. The video shows it.

            Please continue. Your meltdown is entertaining.

          • Jay Gatsby

            If you have ever fired a gun, you will notice that the barrel jumps in an upward direction. The video shows a Hollywood prop. Where is this meltdown you speak of? You are in serious denial Veets. Maybe down the road we will see you on CNN regurgitating “news” from a teleprompter. Keep up the C- workmanship :) It really is a hoot to see you get owned in the comment section. Are you in some sort of a Bizarro alternate reality? A Hollywood prop toy gun was used and it completely shatters your fragile hold on reality. I feel sorry for you, for you seem to be the only one trying hard to hold the water on this story.

          • Veeter99

            Go ahead and feel sorry for me, but I know you have no idea what load he was using, so your claim that the recoil wasn’t what it should have been is specious.

            Thanks for continuing to be a loudmouth redneck who can’t back up his assertions. There are clones of you all over the internet; all equally worthless and desperate to prove something, but can’t.

          • Monroe Stahr

            You’ve owned this guy Veeter99 completely with the gun debate!

          • Veeter99

            If you had read through the entire discussion I’ve had with Gatsby, you wouldn’t be saying that.

            Was it just too long for you to follow?

            Maybe you did read it all, but you didn’t like what you found.

            I’m sure he appreciates you lying for him, though.

      • Jay Gatsby

        Hey Zarko, I keep owning this Veeter guy. He tried to tell me that there is no such word as assertation and called me stupid and what not.. Then he had to change his comment because he isn’t aware of a world beyond Google and Spell Check and found that there is such a word. I keep making salient points and all he can do is sidestep. Where do they find these guys to hold water for these hoaxes. He keeps getting owned and can’t fire back.

        • Veeter99

          I changed it before you even posted, Gatsby. It’s fun seeing you shooting your redneck mouth off and claiming it’s a big deal and that you owned me. You didn’t.

          BTW, how embarrassing for you; you’re continuing to sidestep your BS assertion that I’m a libtard from CA. I wonder why.

          And like I said below, unlike you, I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong. That’s why I edited my post. The “assertation is not a word” call out was gone in less than 5 minutes. Probably less than 2.

          Don’t ever change, Gatsby. You’re perfect just the way you are and you’re one of the best spokesdudes for this hoax yet.

  • Jay Gatsby

    This is the same kind of thing that happens over and over again. False flag after false flag. This is almost as bad as watching the news reports of the Boston Bombing where the alleged bomber’s backpack wasn’t even the same color as the one that exploded. The powers that be are liars who use the TV as their tool of deception. Wake Up America!
    Fuck the muzzle flash, fuck the boards on the deck, fuck the witness who was raided within minutes, fuck EVERYTHING and use as ammo the fact that NO RECOIL and NO SHELL CASINGS were ejected. Game over!
    So we beat on.. Boats against the current….

  • Poncho Villa

    WOW!!!!! This Veeter99 dude just got a taste of his own medicine. Read the comments below. I doubt that they will be up for long as it blows Veeter99 out of the water. It’s about time somebody put him in his place. Holy funniness Batman!!!!

    • Veeter99

      ^^^ We’ve attracted another BSing goober who can yell through a megaphone, but can’t back up his claims.

      Glad to have you here, Poncho. There’s always room for one more and when all of you get going, anyone who visits gets to see just how smart a typical hoax believer really is.

      • Poncho Villa

        I aint the smartest guy here but I know dodging a comment when I see it and you veeter 99 dodged the other guy when he made a point. Why you attack them? I no understand.

        • Veeter99

          Please elaborate. Tell me which discussion you’re talking about and which guy you think I dodged. Feel free to paste parts of it here.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    went to my friends 160 acre farm did lots of target practice with his handguns an rifles zero gun flash lots of kick back and lots of gun smoke and the shell casings fell to the ground in and arc not straight out the side like another bullet.This HOAX is busted like a roast chicken!!!!!!!!

  • Veeter99

    Hey Zarko, I replied to 2 of your posts down the page a ways, but you didn’t see it and respond… please check them out.

    Your first post began with “yes I did to both so my real life experience…” and your second one is just below it and it began with “entertain me what YT video.”

    • Zarko Vukelic

      no I have not checked back on that but after this weekends target practice I’m going to believe real life over you tube. This is a HOAX you may not hear from me awhile but You and Keelan were entertaining CHEERS!!!

      • Veeter99

        You need to check back because when you do, you will see I may have figured out why you are not seeing any muzzle flash when you shoot in daylight.

        Don’t run away, Zarko. I’m not here to entertain you, I’m here to discuss. If you leave when we are still discussing, you will appear unable to back up your positions.

  • Jerry

    I’m willing to bet that Vester hardly ever fired a 9mm before — in fact, he may never have fired it until the murder. A 9mm is NOT the easiest gun to fire, especially with one hand. I’m assuming Vester thought he could shoot holding the gun in one hand, and filming with his cell in the other. Most beginners, especially men, think it’s easy. After he fired the first three shots, he realized that it was harder than he thought, and he had to put the cell phone away in order to use two hands on the gun.

    We don’t see a lot of recoil, and this is because Vester is “pushing” the gun forward right before he fires in an effort to anticipate the recoil. This method, again, is used by many beginners because they are not used to the recoil. As the article states, it is very probable that he missed with the first three shots — “pushing” the gun forward and firing with one hand drastically reduces accuracy if you don’t have the proper experience. Most of the videos you are seeing on YouTube are performed by experienced shooters who know how to handle their weapons.

    Glocks eject to the right, and there is not a good camera angle to view the ejections properly. The best available evidence is the TV camera shots slowed down. As the article points out, the casings can probably be viewed when the camera is on the floor.

  • Miller

    Adam Ward is dead. If this photo doesn’t prove that to you, then you’re in denial.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Nice find totally zero blood evidence good work miller

      • Zarko Vukelic

        where’s the blood veeter99 let’s hear it.. i hit save image as then blow up the pic I see zero blood??????

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Vicky Gardner got shoot in the back lost a kidney and part of her intestine with a hollow point bullet and layed there for 5 minutes playing dead, she would of bin bleeding out fast where’s any evidence of this on the deck and where is Adams head wound and blood there is none THIS IS A STAGED HOAX PERIOD!!! Waiting for your retort Veeter99????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            BUSTED THIS IS A COMPLETE HOAX!!!!!!!!!

          • Miller

            Are you crazy? Put open this photo up and add brightness and contrast, zoom in and you can see blood pooling around his head, plus blood on the exit wound on the top right side of his head. Stop trying to be right about the hoax and look at it objectively.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            alright Miller what are you talking about???I SEE NOTHING SHOW ME?????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            contrast and brighten and show me Miller????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Where the fuck is VICKKYS BLOOD??????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            contrast and brightness????? PROOF IT BIG GUY??? WAITING????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            where the fuck is is Adams head wound?????

          • Veeter99

            Zarko,
            1) Left click on the photo Miller posted. It opens larger, then…
            2) Place your cursor *on Adam’s head* and left click again… it opens up VERY large.
            3) Are you viewing this on a PC or a camera phone?
            4) If you’re viewing it on a PC, what is the size of the monitor?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            alright veeter99 than show me Big Guy???????

          • Veeter99

            First, you need to answer questions 3 and 4.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            alright veeter99 only on a computer and where’s the BLOOD?????

          • Veeter99

            4) If you’re viewing it on a PC, what is the size of the monitor?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            ????? 17 inch ????? why?????

          • Zarko Vukelic

            probable better than what you are using ????? why???

          • Veeter99

            Mine is a new 23″ high resolution flat screen.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            that’s nice now answer my questions 23 inch????? LOL .where is the blood and the head wound??????

          • Veeter99

            It’s way past time for that visit to your optometrist, Zarko.

            Come back after you receive your new eyewear.

          • Veeter99

            Because the size and type of screen affects what you are able to see.

            Is it a newer, high resolution flat screen or an older CRT?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            nice try veeter99 this pc is set to the highest LOL and way better than you have not cheap when it comes to PC’S nice try veeter99

          • Zarko Vukelic

            where is the BLOOD??????

          • Veeter99

            Well, if your monitor is so good, all you have to do is…

            1) Left click on the photo Miller posted. It opens larger, then…
            2) Place your cursor *on Adam’s head* and left click again… it opens up VERY large.

            …and you should be able to see the dark pool of blood on the decking close to and beneath his head. It’s in the shadow of the top railing. Thinking of a clock face, the blood goes from about 4:00 to about 8:00.

            The exit wound is at about 11:00 on his neck right at his hairline.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            already did that shadows are not blood red silly they are shadows nice try now PROOF IT!!!!!!

          • Veeter99

            The blood area is obviously much DARKER than the shadow of the railing, Zarko.

            Here’s a blowup for you. Be sure to click on it to make it larger.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            OH veeter99 getting sleepy talk to you tomorrow have to work sweet dreams big guy talk to you tomorrow.you got 8 hours to come up with a better story night night veeter99 bob

          • Veeter99

            Yeah, you can’t deny that the blood is there, so you retreat. That’s weak and typical of those who say they want evidence, but then when someone shows it to them, they have nothing to say.

            It’s not up to me to do anything. I did my part and MORE. You just refuse to see what is obviously there. The dark area is Adam’s blood.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            alright not seeing your way but sweet dreams big guy tom morrow silly we can start again

          • Veeter99

            No, we’re not going to start “again.”

            If you can’t admit to seeing the darker, reddish area on the decking that is blood to a 99.9% certainty, as well as Adam’s exit wound (where a small bit of reddish tint is also seen), it’s obvious you’re incapable of examining things rationally…

            …and I don’t want to waste any more of my time trying to discuss this intelligently with you.

            I was willing to put up with your zany, all-over-the-place posting style up until tonight, but now you’ve gone over the edge if you claim you can’t see this.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            night night veeter99 BOB

          • Veeter99

            “veeter99 BOB?” What’s the Bob for?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            did you ever watch the “WALTONS” good night jimbob NOW that this HOAX is proven LIE with zero blood evidence!!!!! PROVE IT???? shadows is not evidence of blood where is the red in your proof?????

          • Veeter99

            Nobody wants to try to talk to a crazy person, Zarko. Just stop. You’re only repeating yourself.

            You asked to be shown blood.

            You have been shown blood.

            Your response is to say it’s not blood.

            You can’t seem to grasp how crazy that is.

            *You* have to prove it’s a hoax.

            Until you do, you’re just shooting your mouth off because nothing you have said is “proof.”

            *Try* to understand that.

            Find proof. Call the hospital and pay someone to steal Vicky’s x-rays and mail them to you. Do something other than what you have been doing.

            In other words, stop embarrassing yourself.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            that’s nice veeter99 a shadow is not blood evidence are you that much of a piss tank?????????

          • Veeter99

            You should call the hospital.

            Not Vicky’s hospital, the *other* hospital.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            That’s your proof???? a shadow??? go back to bed piss tank

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Show me Vickys Blood there is none which makes this a hoax!!!! and a shadow under adams head is just that sorry no blood there either nice try hence HOAX

          • Miller

            Clearly you just want this to be a hoax. I’m sorry, but there’s not disputing this photo. Enhanced, it’s even more evident. Blood and exit wound are clear. A different photo shows plenty of blood which spilled below the deck. I hope you can understand that Adam Ward is most definitely not alive.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            alright where is Vicky gardners blood she was shoot in the back lost a kidney and part of her intestine with a hollow point bullet she layed beside Adam playing dead for 5 minutes.She would of bin bleeding pretty bad where is her blood???? unless of course see was never shoot cause this is a Total HOAX!!!!

          • Guest

            There is an area darker than the railing, yes. This photo does not prove it is blood. I do not think this was a hoax, but this photo does not conclusively prove Ward is dead. If anything it shows a shocking lack of the blood you would imagine from a head wound. I am not a doctor, I do not think this is a hoax, it just does not look like definite blood coming from his head.

          • Veeter99

            Sure, it could be maple syrup.

            Read far down through the comments here, clicking “Load more comments” many times. The reasons there is not a larger pool of blood there has been covered several times.

          • Guest

            I have read the comments, I see a lot of theories stating that this is blood and attempting to justify the lack of it, but nothing that is 100% convincing. If somebody wants to believe this is blood, I wouldn’t disagree, but the idea that it is not blood cannot conclusively be rejected either. It could be maple syrup. It could just be my computer when I view the image.
            These comments really do have me thinking. Again, I do not believe it was a hoax but encourage everyone to read through all of the comments.
            Weeks ago somebody in the comments wrote “Craft must be at charge for clothes, but Truth can go Naked” I think that sums this situation up perfectly.

          • AWOL1233

            Wow your still trying to prove this fake shooting was real.

          • Veeter99

            *You’re* still wishing you had something you could use to show it wasn’t real, but you don’t.

            You ran off like a kitty with its tail on fire after I showed how wrong you were about the decking with that closeup photo.

            It’s further down the page. Please come back when you have an intelligent response to that which isn’t just you repeating yourself.

          • Veeter99

            You never did answer THIS:

            “Is yours a newer, high resolution flat screen…

            … or an older CRT?”

          • Veeter99

            It’s very clear what he’s talking about, Zarko.

          • Veeter99

            “Miller: Are you crazy? Put open this photo up and…”

            ^^^ This quickly morphed into NOT being a rhetorical question, huh?

    • Guest

      In denial of what? I’m confused, and I don’t think this is a hoax. A lot of good points are raised in these comments that have gotten me thinking, and if being objective, does this picture positively mean the person in it is dead? Again, I don’t believe this is a hoax, however this photo really doesn’t show much other than a person on the ground. I zoomed in and do not see any definitive blood. That’s not to say he’s not deceased in this photo, but this picture in no way conclusively proves he is dead.

      • Miller

        Denial of what? How about denial of reality…. You claim that you don’t think this is a hoax, and yet, you go on to argue that there is no proof that this photo is showing a dead body. That’s pretty confusing. That’s like saying, I think the moon is real, but that big white orb in the night sky, doesn’t prove it.

        Okay Forensics 101:

        1: The body is pale. This is known as pallor mortis. Blood circulations has ceased because the heart has stopped and the blood settles to the lower part of his body, such as his right side on the pull of gravity.

        2: There is ‘apparent’ blood around his head, and also the other side of his head running through the deck gaps down into the lower level. Google it, you’ll find plenty of pics of the blood on the lower deck. We will call it ‘blood’ because, all existent evidence from the video points to this photo being that of a dead body belonging to Adam Ward, who was shot in the head. Therefore, it is more probable than not, that it is blood rather than any other substance.

        3: The editor at the news station (Michael Episcopo) was interviewed and said the last image in the camera was Adam’s hand, that he could see his watch. This picture shows exactly what he claims, as you can see Adam’s hand dangling in front of the lens, and this photo is hours later, based on the angle of the shadows.

        If you’re willing to be objective, please give us evidence that this is a photo of Adam Ward, not dead, but alive and well, only pretending to be dead. Use no form of opinion. Use only observable facts.

        • Guest

          Miller, you are correct.
          Point 1 is unquestionably demonstrable in this picture, and I am not an expert. Evidently you are. I will take your word for it. The paleness of the skin in this photo means conclusively that he is dead. I have researched the internet and cannot find pictures of any living people with a very pale skin color, so you are right that the skin color shows that he is unequivocally dead. I am just in denial.
          Points 2 and 3 seem to be the fault of my computer again. I was unable to glean the information you point out from just looking at this picture. I have looked at it but think the information you are providing comes from sources outside this picture. But that cannot be true, because you say this picture alone is undeniable proof that he is dead. It is very confusing. Please explain it to me again if you could, preferably with information that can be learned just from this picture. Sources from outside the picture are fine, again-I do not think it was a hoax, I was just stating that this picture alone does not unquestionably prove he is dead.
          I am confused and in denial. Am I in denial that this picture alone conclusively proves he is dead? From the comments it seems like information from outside this picture is necessary to conclude that.

          • Miller

            He’s lying on the deck, pale, with what looks to be blood around his head. People are hovering over him, one is taking a photo with a police issued crime scene forensics camera and tripod.

            The paleness that is seen in this photo is not the same as a living person’s pale skin, it is ashen, dead gray pale. I can see it quite clearly. It’s unfortunate that you cannot… being that you don’t think this is a hoax, but people’s comments “got you thinking.”

          • Monroe Stahr

            HAHA! You own this guy Miller completely on the picture.! All the dude has to do is the picture alone doesn’t show anything for certain!

          • Veeter99

            Please reread what you wrote and edit it so people can understand what you tried to say. The way it is now, you’re the only one who knows.

          • Rusty

            I think Monroe Stahr means to say that ‘..all the dude (Miller) has to do is SAY the picture alone doesn’t show anything for certain!’ At least that is my take…

  • Edward Shotten

    Thanks for all that work. I am disturbed by everyone wanting to be on camera right after a death – but it’s the way people are now, disturbing.

    • Veeter99

      “Wanting to be on camera”?

      Are you referring to what you said in your other post above? I assumed you referred to some conspiracist who thought they saw a figure behind the glass door to the restaurant.

      • Edward Shotten

        Yes, “wanting to be on camera” – -My loved one is killed, I’ll break your fucking camera if you come looking for a comment. Retard.

  • Edward Shotten

    Oh and there was the matter of a “person in the background” but it wasn’t clear in the video if there was actually a person there or not – behind the reporter, inside the building…

    • Veeter99

      Please, don’t try to bring any unsubstantiated “matters” such as that into this discussion. Some here are already chasing enough ghosts.

      If you have a screencap from the video or something, fine. Post it along with an analysis you found somewhere, and post the link, too.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    I’m leaving this PROVEN HOAX and moving on to the new HOAX. The Oregon Umpqua Shooting Hoax.CHEERS!!!

    • Veeter99

      It’s hilarious (and sad) that you still consider this one as a proven hoax. You’ve had all your questions and objections carefully answered here with photos, logic, rational reasoning, etc., but your response is to just post jibber jabber and all caps proclamations.

      Earlier tonight I made a post that isn’t here now, perhaps because it included a link to a YT video *claiming* the Umpqua shooting was a hoax. I said I had been thinking that the hoax believers would probably be declaring that one as staged also. It’s getting too easy to predict what you people are going to flock to next. Ugh.

      Maybe it will reappear if the link passes mod approval, but doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. I just wanted to say I “called it” on this gullible hoax flock’s attentions.

  • Greg Florko

    You are completely full of shite mate! OBVIOUS HOAX!!

    • Veeter99

      It’s not obvious at all. Did you read the entire article carefully and look at all the photos and videos that were provided as evidence for the points made in the article?

      If you did go through it all carefully, and you still think it’s an obvious hoax, read down through the discussion here because there are more photos and more valuable analysis. Read all of it, clicking “Load more comments” each time you come to it.

      You’ll see a lot of good thinking and it will be well worth your time. After you’ve finished it, come back here and bring up the things you believe need further discussion.

  • Greg Florko

    Visit your local hardware store and purchase the following: rubber gloves, crow bar, vice grips, industrial strength lubricant. With these handy tools, you MIGHT be able to dislodge your head from your rectal cavity. GOOD LUCK!

    • Veeter99

      Greg, you’re obviously just another “shouter” …not interested in seriously discussing a search for the truth, just interested in playing with your internet megaphone.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        not everyone is as blind as you veeter99

        • Veeter99

          Says Zarko the Batty Hoax Believer who sees a hoax where there isn’t one.

          You said you were leaving to go chase the Umpqua hoax. Do yourself a favor and do what you said you were gonna do. You’re just continuing to prove you’re a nutjob by staying here spewing your wackadoodle BS.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            go back to bed you color blind piss tank

          • Zarko Vukelic

            what makes this new Hoax more obvious is eyewitnesses that were there never heard any shoots or seen any body’s

            they were just told the script and had all their cell phones taken from them why is that????

          • Veeter99

            It took place inside a closed classroom on a very spread out campus, Zarko the Gullible. I know that’s hard for you to understand.

            I’m sure if you send a letter and a self-addressed, stamped envelope to Umpqua Community College, they’ll be happy to send you some photos of the bloody bodies.

            On the subject of the script and the cellphones, I’m sure you found that out from some nutjob’s channel on YouTube. Please leave like you promised and go hang out there because you’ve embarrassed yourself enough on this site.

          • Veeter99

            Keep saying crazy, stupid stuff, Zarko. That way everyone who comes here gets to see what a real hoax believer nutjob is like.

      • Jay Gatsby

        Every time someone mentions a valid point, you dodge the question and call them a “goober” or a “shouter”. I absolutely OWNED you before and you ran away… You are a Libtard shill who has a hissy fit when confronted with FACTS that you cannot refute. Case closed. This is an absolute hoax that involved a Hollywood prop called a Non-Gun. Have a nice life Keelan, I mean Veeter. I am done and not coming back to this webpage. This “debunk” page was too easy rip apart and boil down to 1 simple FACT. No brass was ejected. Good day to you old sport. Keep on shilling. Your parents should be proud.

        • Veeter99

          Show me how I didn’t refute your “theories,” Gatsby.

          Show me how you got scared when I asked you where you got that CA libtard BS and told you if you had read the comments you’d know you were wrong.

          Yeah, you forgot that *you’re* the one who ran away after I owned *you.*

          Hilarious. Keep trying.

          Get a real account, too.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    nice video only his opinion but he makes a lot of good points. Looks like he thinks it’s a HOAX too

    • Veeter99

      He doesn’t make any good points, Zarko. He’s just like you. Jibba Jabba, Hoax Hoax, Proof Is Everywhere, Wake Up Everybody, Look At This New Nutjob Video.

      Maybe he will hold your hand and explain it all to you until you fall asleep tonight, Zarko. I’m sure you’d like that.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        Go back to bed color blind PISS TANK!!!!

        • Veeter99

          Keep acting crazy, Zarko. That way everyone who comes here gets to see what a real hoax believer nutjob is like.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            nice try we have a new photo after the crime with zero blood evidence. So your telling me that three people got shoot with 15 hollow point bullets and left no blood evidence?????? you must of bin born an idiot?????wondering?????

          • Veeter99

            Excellent stuff, Zarko. Keep it coming. You’ll show ’em.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            That’s your retort?????? go back to bed COLOR BLIND PISS TANK!!!

          • Veeter99

            Keep it coming, Zarko. More all caps, please.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            LOL

          • Guest

            Keep getting him to talk about the blood…this is too funny!

          • Veeter99

            Blood? Does Zarko still want to talk about the blood?

          • Zarko Vukelic

            what blood if there was any . WHY would be wasting my typing finger… You color blind PISS TANK

          • Veeter99

            I didn’t know you had a typing finger. Which one is it?

            Did you forget you said you were going to leave, Zarko?

            It’s time to go. All those crazy guys over on YouTube looking into that Umpqua Community College shooting hoax need your help finding the blood and the muzzle flashes.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Why are you still here????? your color blind and have NOT proven a thing!!!! PISS TANK!!!!

          • Veeter99

            I asked you two questions, Zarko.

          • Guest

            HAHA

          • Total Shouter

            You are crushing this guy Veeter99!!! But you should lighten up Zarko… Keelan does an awful job in the comments before Veeter shows up, and he clearly bailed on defending the article he wrote. At least Veeter keeps trying- albeit a failing effort. He must be in Schopenhauer’s second phase of truth, keep pushing but remember that he at least has heart.

          • Veeter99

            Total Shouter. What a great name for just another blowhard with no proof this was a hoaxed event.

            Bring more crazy nutjobs. Please.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            I like veeter99 but there are times when he is wrong and I don’t fault him we just have different opinions.

          • Veeter99

            If you knew how to use commas, you’d be dangerous.

            Keep trying, though.

          • Veeter99

            We have a new photo? I don’t think we do.

            BTW, your 9th grade English teacher just turned over in her grave again.

  • Total Shouter

    This poor guy Keelan, he gets ripped apart in the comments below!

    • Veeter99

      Keep saying crazy, stupid stuff, Total Shouter. That way everyone who comes here gets to see what a real hoax believer nutjob is like.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        go back to bed, you color blind PISS TANK.No one is buying your BULL SHIT!!!

        • Veeter99

          You don’t know what you’re talking about, Zarko.

          But please keep acting like a crazy person, because more people need to see you ranting and raving so they’ll know exactly what a hoax believer nutjob is like.

          • Emmanuel

            Seems like he knows exactly what he’s talking about. You spew lies and cannot refute the FACT that no shell casing is ejected. You got owned dude by MANY commenters. No one believes you Keelan/Veeter

          • Young Hegelian

            Do you think they are the same person? Its very suspicious but I am still not certain.

          • Veeter99

            You’re funny when you talk to yourself, Emmanuel.

          • Veeter99

            Everything *seems like* what a guy like you *wants* to believe, Emmanuel.

            Register and get a real account and stop hiding.

            Then read the article and all the comments carefully and come back with something that isn’t weak like your shell casing statement. It has been covered and you’re just proving you haven’t done your homework and are only here to pound your chest.

            The accusation that I’m Keelan is especially weak. Please continue with that because it shows your paranoid nutjob mindset.

      • FalseFlagSpotter

        Ummm, yeah.. Obvious fake with no shell casing ejected. Nice try little Veeter peter.

        • Veeter99

          FalseFlagSpotter? Uh huh.

          Why don’t you register with a real account instead of as a sock or guest?

          Prove you’re not just another troll so it can be shown you and all these other newcomers who just happened to show up today out of nowhere are more than one or two people.

          And no one has yet proved no shell casings were ejected. If you read the article and the comments you’d know that.

          Weak, bubba.

      • Veeter is Keelan**************

        Shouldn’t your grammar be, “No, I don’t” Instead of, No, he doesn’t? Nice try Keelan, you just outed yourself as your own shill. HAHAHAA. This comment section keeps getting better and better.

        • Veeter99

          I said exactly what I meant. Total Shouter was obviously BSing when he said Keelan got ripped apart, and I called him on it.

          Apparently that’s difficult for you to understand.

          It’s just too funny that you nutjobs are still trying to change the subject to claiming I’m Keelan.

          I’m not. If you read all the comments, you’d know that, but you dumbazz trolls are too stupid to do your homework.

          Its obvious you’re doing that because you haven’t been able to successfully refute me when I show your theories are invalid and/or weak.

          Please continue demonstrating you are trapped. You can’t escape being a nutjob.

          • PeaceDog420

            Nope, looks like you outsmarted yourself and totally just made everyone aware of who you really are. Veeter is Keelan. You slipped up. It’s ok.

          • Veeter99

            One more “coincidence.” You’re the 14th “new guy” today.

            Thanks for trying. LOL

    • Anthony

      Completely torn to shreds! Read the comments and judge for yourself!

      • Veeter99

        Another Gatsby sock just talking to himself.

        Create a real account and come back and fight like a man (when you have something new to bring to the table that hasn’t been fully discussed already).

  • FalseFlagSpotter

    Wow this Veeter clown keeps getting owned. What a typical Libtard. Must be from California. Keep drinking your fluoridated water Veeter. It’s doing wonders for your IQ. This is an obvious fake shooting when no brass is ejected and anyone with 3 working neurons in their brain can see that. Keep getting slapped around Veeter the skeeter.

    • Purloined Letter

      Owned for sure. Especially with the shell casings, blood, and takes being out of sync. Read this article, think for a few minutes and read the comments. Pay particular attention to Keelan and Veeter’s failed counterpoints. Don’t believe me though, read the comments and decide for yourself.

      • Veeter99

        More Gatsby just talking to himself.

        Busted.

        So desperate.

        It doesn’t get any funnier than this.

        • Collin Simko

          Are you off of your meds Scooby Doo? I could just picture you laying down on your therapist’s couch raving about this “Gatsby”. It’s Gatsby, you’re Gatsby, Everyone’s Gatsby. BAAAHHHH! Gatsbyyyyy.. What a buffoooooooon.

          • Veeter99

            Make yourself a real account and stop hiding, goober.

    • Veeter99

      Thanks for showing me that you’re Gatsby.

      Too funny, dude.

      • VAHAWK

        I have three words for you – “VESTER” LEE FLANAGAN. That’s BS right there. DYLLANNNNNN STORM ROOFFFF?
        Please.

        • Veeter99

          Please elaborate. The mystery of what you’re trying to say is unsolvable.

          The way it is now you’re the only one who knows.

  • TheSmartesGuyEver

    WOW, read these comments.. Veeter gets owned again and again. He can’t refute that no shell casing is ejected so he has to resort to name calling. What a typical liberal deflection move. Why is he all over this page trying to hold this farce of a story together? You have been outed as a shill. Go puff up another webpage that needs you to get owned again and again like this one. You are great to have around to destroy the credibility of the mainstreem media because all you do is regurgitate false facts that are easy to pick apart. This story has been put to bed. Night night LIBTARD.

    • Anthony

      Totally owned in the comments! Please read all comments and judge for yourself! I will say Veeter does a much better job defending the outrageous than the author, Keelan. I am not sure if they are the same person, but I see why others say that. Read the comments and judge for yourself!

      • Veeter99

        Gatsby, when you go full nutjob, you don’t mess around.

        This moves your last humiliation further down the page so fewer people will witness it, so I understand why you’re doing it.

        Too funny, dude.

    • Veeter99

      Obviously you think others are as stupid as you, Gatsby. How many socks did you create today to show up out of nowhere to come after me?

      Do you have a lot of imaginary friends in real life, too?

      LOL

      • VAHAWK

        Shell casing Schmell casing – WGAF about the shell casings? Forget the shell casings. How about NO BULLETS? Nothing was hit. No blood.

        What a JOKE – The whole thing is a JOKE ASS HOAX>

        • Veeter99

          Where’s your evidence that nothing was hit?

  • Obvious Guy Says

    This Veeter dude is getting owned over and over again. I wonder what his investment in this article is. Is he getting paid for this…? What a job… Like a prostitute, get paid to get owned!

    • Veeter99

      Hello again, Gatsby.

      • VAHAWK

        Look – the moron – or operative

        • Veeter99

          If you plan to make your mark here and you want a worthwhile result, you’ll have to do better than that.

          Read all the comments. You’ll find out some things you don’t know about me yet, and you’ll see I’m not an operative.

  • Penny Lane

    Wow. So many people reading this article like right now.
    This is not a hoax, people! What would the motive be??? Gun control? That does not sound convincing.

    • Paperback Writer

      Whatever you want to believe Penny Lane. Just as long as YOU are sure it isn’t a hoax is all that matters to you. All that matters to me is the fact that there IS NO SHELL CASINGS EJECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
      NO ONE SAID ANYTHING about motive Ms. Penny Lane. The bottom line here is a Hollywood prop was used and to date, NO ONE can refute that.

      • Veeter99

        I love how you’re proving you’re one dude making numerous accounts to make it look like there’s a lot of new nutjobs showing up.

        You first proved it with “Like O.M.G.” which was obvious because you invented the username to make fun of the way Penny Lane talked, using “like” a lot.

        Now, you want to be even more obvious by creating another account to talk to Penny Lane and name it Paperback Writer?

        Lots of all caps, too. Who is that supposed to remind me of?

        Idiot. LOL!

        • VAHAWK

          BULLSHIT my brother

          • Veeter99

            Show me.

            Show me how what I said is BS.

    • Like. O.M.G.

      Like O.M.G. Like right now, let me, like, try, to like, divert attention from the fact that like, no shell casing was like, ejected. So like, let’s squabble about like, something like, a non factor like, motive. Like, never mind like, there is no brass ejected. Like, wow, like, l’m Keelan’s supercool G/F, and like, he asked me to like, help write, like, a reply, and like, divert attention, cause this is a hoax, so like, I have to help cause, like, he’s getting destroyed in these comments.

      • Veeter99

        Oh look, another new hoax believer shows up out of nowhere wanting to talk about the shell casing thing.

        How many new guys is that all in one day?

        Hilarious.

        Get a real account, please.

        So you don’t look like one guy talking to himself.

        That way, when you bring up the same thing as all the other nutjobs, it won’t be so obvious.

        The shell casing objection has been discussed several times and it’s simply not evidence this was a hoaxed event. Then reread the article carefully, plus all the comments and come back with something new.

        • Veeter

          It’s only ok when I do it.

          • Veeter99

            The impersonator troll shows his face again.

        • VAHAWK

          100% all hoax. There was not a drop of blood. No bullets, or casings. No damage to the railing behind the target, where the GUN WAS AIMING! No shots were fired. Vester Lee Flanagan? LOL – Dylannn Storm ROOF? BWahahaha!

          Nigga please.

          The boyfriend – Chris Hurst is just a pathetic actor. He gets this year’s Gene Rosen Award. (Congrats Chris) And Parker, the father? OMG – that dude is so FOS> Please tell me you’re not buying that BS. You must be a shill of some sort –

          • Veeter99

            You should read a significant ways down through the comments.

            You’ll find blood.

            You’ll find shell casings.

            You’ll find a lot of stuff.

            Come back when you’ve finished your research and have something worthwhile to say instead of this bloviation you’re performing now.

    • VAHAWK

      This “shooting” was perhaps the fakest shit I have ever seen. Like ever. The shark in Jaws was more real than this shooting.

      • Veeter99

        If you’re going to toss around millenialspeak such as “Like ever,” you should probably change your avatar, because Jeff Bridges is obviously not someone you’re capable of understanding and admiring at your young age.

  • James O’Brien

    No shell casings are ejected… Holy shit, this is a hoax… WTF? Wow!

    • Veeter99

      Oh look, another new hoax believer shows up out of nowhere.

      How many new guys is that all in one day?

      Hilarious.

      Get a real account so you don’t look like one person talking to himself.

      That way, when you say the same thing as all the other nutjobs, it won’t be so obvious.

      LOL!

      • James O’Brien

        Why are you responding to me like that? What the fuck did I do, and who the fuck are you???????????????

        Look dude, I’m just calling it like I see it.. I didn’t believe it until I saw it today.

        • Veeter99

          All you did was make a useless trolling comment after showing up out of nowhere with about 12 other newbies.

          Yeah, that’s believable.

          Not.

          Make a real account, read the article and all the comments carefully and you’ll see the shell casings objection has been discussed and debunked several times (and several ways).

        • Biff Thatcher

          Don’t listen to him James O’Brien-I agree with you. I stumbled on this page as well-ironically after a friend in San Diego told me about it. I wish the author made better selling points or was able to really convince the reader that this was not a hoax. I then spent the hour reading the comments-its more arguments than anything. Ignoring the fact that the real bf of Alison Parker was clearly identified, there is still a lot more that needs explanation. The shell casings, videos out of sync, and the lack of blood are discussed several times, and each time shown to be suspicious. This is validated in the comments but somehow the comments repeatedly state that these issues have been successfully addressed??. Read the comments and see, time after time the hoax is proven and weak arguments are given trying to rationalize these details. I guess it really does come down to what each individual believes, and I’m with you, it looks like a hoax.

          • Keelan Balderson

            But these things HAVE been addressed. Alison’s EX BOYFRIEND was identified and he denounced the conspiracy theories.

            I show you the shell casings in footage above.

            The videos are not out of sync as shown with the side by side clips above.

            You can’t claim there is a lack of blood, but you can claim there is lack of photos of the blood. That’s an important distinction because the general public have no expectation to see gory photos of dead bodies.

          • Keelan Balderson

            THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR USING MULTIPLE USERNAMES, TRYING TO PASS EACH ONE OFF AS A DIFFERENT PERSON TO BOLSTER THEIR OPINION.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Nice to see that no one is buying this Hollywood Production were there is zero proof other than the bull shit put out by Keelan I mean veerter99 ,not sure if they are the same person??? This HOAX has bin put to bed LOL!!!

    • Veeter99

      Zarko, you’re repeating yourself again.

      That makes you look bad.

      And you keep forgetting *you* have to prove it’s a hoax. And you haven’t.

      BTW, did you forget that other thing you said?

      Here’s what you said: “I’m leaving this PROVEN HOAX and moving on to the new HOAX. The Oregon Umpqua Shooting Hoax.CHEERS!!!”

      • Zarko Vukelic

        why are you still here repeating your bullshit, no one is buying your bull shit veeter99 or are you really Keelan???

        • Steven Kenny

          Yeah, I know. You can always count on that clown to chime in with something incoherent.

          • Veeter99

            Make a real account and stop hiding, “Steven Kenny.”

            You’re about the 13th new guy who just showed up out of nowhere today. Coincidence?

            I don’t think so. LOL

          • Veeter

            It’s Gatsby They’re all Gatsby. He is all of you. You have to believe me… Theyre coming to take me away

          • Veeter99

            Another tactic of the weak; impersonation.

        • Veeter99

          You’re the one who is repeating BS and you’re the one who is “still here,” Zarko.

          You’re the one who said he was “moving on.” I quoted you precisely just above.

          You and the other hoax believers need to prove your theories instead of just saying the same things over and over.

          No, I’m not Keelan, Zarko. Haven’t you asked me that about 5 times already? I have never had any contact with him, either.

          • Organ Doner

            Did you “party” with Jimmy Sevile when you were younger?

          • Veeter99

            Your screen name should be “Brain Donor.” I had to do a search to find out who he is, so no. I’m in the U.S.; maybe you thought I was Brit.

            Do you have anything you’d like to discuss, or is being an idiot troll the upper limit of your repertoire?

  • VAHAWK

    This didn’t debunk shi*. This shooting was pathetically fake –

  • VAHAWK

    ” From Sandy Hook, to the Boston Bombings, to this week’s shocking footage – according to them none of it really happened.” – Pretty much

    • ImOKyou’reOK

      Do you think Veeter and Keelan are the same person?

      • Keelan Balderson

        Why would I make a video and write an article under my real name with a real photo of myself and then post as somebody else?

        I think you’re nuts and I have nothing to hide.

        I think the fact you would even make such a claim demonstrates your irrational and conspiratorial mindset … especially when you have no evidence that I am Veeter.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          SUUUUUURRRRRREEEEE veeter99 LOL

          • Veeter99

            Keep acting like a crazy person, Zarko.

            That way you can be sure that everyone will believe what you say.

          • Keelan Balderson

            Turns out ImOKyou’reOK was actually the one using multiple usernames.

  • Zarko Vukelic

    Check out Vikky gardners latest video with CNN try not to vomit!!!! CNN you tube video ” WDBJ shooting survivor: ‘I played dead'”

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Hey veeter99 jump on CNN’s comments page and do your shill thing there like you do here!!!!! OOOOH buy the way enjoy!!!

      • Fortinbras500

        Watched the video…you are right, she has a ridiculous story.

    • Zarko Vukelic

      Vickky got shoot in the back with a hollow point bullet ,played
      dead,for five minutes???? Had two other people killed in front of
      her.Walks to the ambulance,goes to the hospital is put in a comma lost a
      kidney and part of her intestine 4 weeks ago??? NO sign of trauma in
      her eyes and smiles a lot. Like it never happened. THIS IS A STAGED
      EVENT FOR GUN CONTROL NO ONE GOT SHOT JUST LOOK AT THIS LIAR!!!!!!

      • Veeter99

        More all caps, please.

        Make your whole post all caps.

        That way everybody will know how important you are, Zarko.

        I already answered all of these objections you are reviving. I told you about my wife’s colon surgery. Maybe your surgeons up there in Canada are just not as good as ours.

    • Veeter99

      I saw some of that last night on TV, and there was nothing suspicious about it.

      Especially the part about playing dead. Are you going to tell me that you’ve never heard people talk about doing that in a similar situation? It happens all the time.

  • I Need Answers

    I want an explanation for something. Forget the video, just listen to the Audio.

    You hear the shots being fired.
    You hear Alison screaming.
    You hear Alison say, “oh my God!”

    Right as the video ends, there is another “oh my god” in a deep pitched voice.

    If Adam was dead, Vicki is “playing dead” and it’s clearly not Alison’s voice. Who’s was it? I don’t think it was Vester’s voice…

    I think if this is a hoax, that the sound editor was messing with the audio track and slipped it in there for whatever reason and forgot to take it out before the videos went live. Does anyone else have another explanation?

    • Zarko Vukelic

      I Agree these are two different takes mixed into one. At least your one of the few critical thinkers unlike PISSTANK veeter99 LOL!!!

      • Zarko Vukelic

        when you watch the vids separately they don’t match in sight or sound they were staged to look the same but they are NOT!!!

        • Veeter99

          Zarko, the videos match perfectly. This “theory” you’re trying to revive has been discussed several times already and the hoax believers’ objections have clearly been refuted.

          Stop going back over old ground. That makes you look like a nutjob.

          Oh, wait… for a moment there, I forgot who I was talking to.

          Do what you said you were going to do.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Welcome back PISSTANK. Peekay22 did a good job showing the audio dose not match . On the other hand PISSTANK where is your proof???

          • Veeter99

            I’ve already explained it to you, but it looks like you forgot already.

            At least I think you were here then. Roll down through the comments until you come to it and reread it.

      • Veeter99

        Zarko, you need to stop saying piss tank if you want to be taken seriously here.

        • Zarko Vukelic

          Alright Supreme PISSTANK is that better

          ????

          • Veeter99

            Apparently you don’t care about being taken seriously.

          • Zarko Vukelic

            Alright witch one is it PISSTANK. Or SUPREME PISSTANK ????? Seriously ?????

          • Veeter99

            Apparently you really don’t care about being taken seriously.

    • Veeter99

      Are you talking about the 57 second long shooter’s video? I don’t hear a deep voice at the end.

      • Zarko Vukelic

        Did you even compare them????Supreme PISSTANK

        • Veeter99

          Do you have an answer to the question I asked “I Need Answers”?

      • I Need Answers

        Both videos have the deep pitch “omg” at the end. Is there an explanation?

        • Veeter99

          I have a YT link to the shooter’s video saved. I just watched and listened to it three times with headphones. There is ZERO speaking at the end. Here is the title; all you have to do is paste it into the search box: On Air Shooting Bryce Williams – Vester Flanagan Virginia TV Station

          I don’t have a link to Adam’s video.

          Are the videos you refer to on YouTube? If so, please post the titles of them, not the links. If you post links, often it takes several hours for your post to pass moderation.

          • I Need Answers

            On the LIVE video it’s at 18 seconds, it’s cutoff halfway, but it’s distinct.

            On the SHOOTER video it’s at 47 seconds. You hear the entire, “Oh My God”

          • Veeter99

            Why did you say it’s at the end if it’s at 47 seconds?

            I’ll check it out tomorrow; I’ve already closed out my log in.

            And once again, can you send me the title of Adam’s video so I can listen to it, too?

          • I Need Answers

            Why did I say it’s at the end if it’s at 47 seconds? Who gives a rat’s ass? It’s towards the end, why are you asking stupid questions instead of answering mine? Can I send you the title of Adam’s video? It’s called Youtube, just type in live roanoke shooting. Also, if you heard it on the shooter video at 47 seconds, maybe you can explain it for us…

          • Veeter99

            It’s not a stupid question. You made a stupid statement. Investigating and discussing something like this requires the precise use of language.

            It’s not my problem if you’re just tossing words around willy nilly; it’s yours.

            My request for the titles of the two videos *you* listened to is quite reasonable. I wanted to be sure I was listening to the same soundtrack as you. What if the ones you listened to were altered by the person who posted it? Ever think of that?

            But I see you’ve been outed as just one more pathetic, insecure troll with several imaginary friends he created to help him look more credible. Big surprise there. You nutjobs are all pretty much alike.

            I’m in no hurry to listen to your revelatory discovery now, but I will eventually. Just send the title of the “Adam video” that you listened to.

            Like I asked. Nicely, too.

            BTW, I like how you said, “…maybe you can explain it for us.” That’s hilarious in light of the fact your army of socks got outed.

    • Keelan Balderson

      You do know that people have the ability to change the pitch of their voice right? Especially when they’re gutturally screaming in the face of death?

      At the same time it could have easily been Vicki. Just because she says she played dead, doesn’t mean she didn’t scream at some point.

      And seriously why would a sound editor be playing around with the audio track?

    • Keelan Balderson

      THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR USING MULTIPLE USERNAMES AND TRYING TO PASS EACH ONE OFF AS A DIFFERENT PERSON TO BOLSTER THEIR OPINION.

  • Keelan Balderson

    Anyone caught using multiple usernames to try and bolster their own opinion, or just to troll, will be banned. (I have access to everyone’s IP address). Let’s have an honest discussion.

    The following groups of usernames all came from single IP addresses, which have been permanently banned …

    Troll 1:

    Biff Thatcher
    ImOKyou’reOK
    Fortinbras500
    Joe Conrad
    Chester
    Rusty
    Penny Lane
    Purloined Letter
    Young Hegelian
    Anthony
    Total Shouter
    Monroe Stahr
    Poor Richard
    J A Prufrock

    Troll 2:

    I Need Answers
    Miller
    Clockwork Orange
    Skotch
    Joe

    • Veeter99

      Did you find anything on the one that was going by just Veeter?

      • Keelan Balderson

        I believe they were either Troll 3 or 4, I didn’t put the name in case it confused people.

        I think it’s likely all of these are the same person using different machines.

  • Veeter99

    Well, well, well… isn’t it interesting that all these little imaginary friends have been discovered? I called it, didn’t I? LOL

    I can’t imagine anything more humiliating for them. This proves they’re paranoid nutjobs with inferiority complexes.

    They wished they could refute Keelan’s debunking, but they couldn’t, and that drove them batty. The next step was to make a bunch of socks to make it look like there were lots of them here. Quantity over quality, huh fellas?

    That’s gotta sting.

    • Michael Blaine

      This should’ve been the end of it right here. After that it just looks like an adult trying to convince a child that there isn’t a dragon under the bed. Why did I get involved? I’m just gonna be accused of being you or the author but reasonable people don’t do that because we live in the world where that’s not really an option when you use real names and have to see each others face

      • Man of Sin

        lol did you see the interview with woman that got shot? Oh the shooter and boyfriend are also actor.

        There is also inconsistencies regarding the shooter’s relationship with the woman.

        Oh and you’re obviously someone’s alternate account.

        • Veeter99

          You’re obviously trolling because you’re just spewing stuff that others have tried to use as “evidence” this was staged. All of that has been debunked in the article as well as discussed in the comments. None of your “objections” hold up to rational, intelligent scrutiny.

          • Man of Sin

            Uh, no didn’t. The shooter, the father, and boyfriend all had acting gigs.

            And where did he ever address the inconsistacies regarding the story?

          • Veeter99

            What “inconsistacies regarding the story” are you talking about?

            I don’t remember David Paul or eyekonoklast; paste their comments here if you think they’re worthy.

          • Man of Sin

            CNN said she came on board two years after he got fired. Stating to see how things don’t add up?

            And look for the comments. That’s what you told me to do.

          • Veeter99

            The shooter was a complete wacko. Why are you taking anything he said seriously?

            You’re the one who asked me to respond to things David Paul and eyekonoklast said; it’s up to you to find them and present them to me.

            That’s why I said paste their comments here if you think they’re worthy. If you don’t care to do that, you must not think they are.

          • Man of Sin

            Lol that differs very little from what I said.

            >So she didn’t come on board *after* he got fired, and based on Wiki, she hadn’t “made racist comments at him.

            My mistake. It was nearly a year and a half. Flanagan was fired in February 1, 2013 and Parker came on board some time after May 2014.

            >You’re the one who asked me to respond to things David Paul and eyekonoklast said; it’s up to you to find them and present them to me.

            And you’re the one who told me to read the whole comment section to see what I said about the four actors being debunked. You’re coming off as a bit of a hypocrite.

          • Veeter99

            “You can easily found them by searching the newest posts, shouldn’t take long.”

            I looked down several pages when you first posted this request. Nothing by “eyekonoklast” or “David Paul.” Why you don’t just quote them is beyond me. AFAIK, you could be making this whole thing up just to waste my time. Quote these guys and I’ll respond.

            “Btw, Alison also has been confirmed to have an acting background. What a coincidence…”

            You have a theory, and like all the others who think this is a hoax, everything like the acting is further proof to you. That kind of sloppy thinking is like if you came in 15 mins. past curfew in H.S., and your father called you a murderer because someone was strangled two streets over during those 15 mins.

            Are you beginning to get it yet?

            “He uses examples were people get shot once, not several times like in this case.”

            You’re making assumptions regarding how many times Allison was *hit* in the shooter’s video before he stuffed his phone in his pocket and ran after her. See? More problems with your critical thinking skills.

            “The fire discharge from the gun is edited in, glocks don’t even fire like that and they did see the shooter.”

            It’s not edited in, it shows that way because of the low frame rate on his cheapo cellphone. Get someone to explain that to you. Go to a high end video camera store if you don’t know anyone personally who can explain it. It’s related to the “motion rate” spec that you see when shopping for flat screen TVs.

            Re: Allison and the interviewee seeing the shooter, I can’t believe you’re trying to pull that one. It just proves you didn’t read the article. So lame.

            “I found it interesting that…”

            Yes, I know. You find everything “interesting” or a “coincidence.” You hoax conspiracy dudes are all alike. Review the “15 mins. late for curfew murder accusation” above and think about it for awhile, then come back when you have something.

          • Man of Sin

            I love how you ignored the witness interview and the faults in the blood argument.

            “I looked down several pages when you first posted this request. Nothing by “eyekonoklast” or “David Paul.” Why you don’t just quote them is beyond me. AFAIK, you could be making this whole thing up just to waste my time. Quote these guys and I’ll respond.”

            You did found them. You just didn’t have a counter argument for them like the things I stated above. They are very easy found and I just looked at them recently. Someone as obsessed with this topic as you should know about them.

            “You have a theory, and like all the others who think this is a hoax, everything like the acting is further proof to you. That kind of sloppy thinking is like if you came in 15 mins. past curfew in H.S., and your father called you a murderer because someone was strangled two streets over during those 15 mins.

            Are you beginning to get it yet?”

            lol Not even close to being comparable. If it was just one actor than fine, but five?

            “You’re making assumptions regarding how many times Allison was *hit* in the shooter’s video before he stuffed his phone in his pocket and ran after her. See? More problems with your critical thinking skills.”

            She was hit least twice. You can see that in the video.

            “It’s not edited in, it shows that way because of the low frame rate on his cheapo cellphone. Get someone to explain that to you. Go to a high end video camera store if you don’t know anyone personally who can explain it. It’s related to the “motion rate” spec that you see when shopping for flat screen TVs.”

            How about you provide a source?

            “Re: Allison and the interviewee seeing the shooter, I can’t believe you’re trying to pull that one. It just proves you didn’t read the article. So lame.”

            Uh, I’m saying they DID see the shooter. The author of the article even conceded in the comments section that she saw him and just said “well she made the wrong choice I guess”. And one of the videos I directed you to blatantly shows she saw the shooter.

            “Yes, I know. You find everything “interesting” or a “coincidence.” You hoax conspiracy dudes are all alike. Review the “15 mins. late for curfew murder accusation” above and think about it for awhile, then come back when you have something.”

            Seriously, ALL posts on this topic and they are in the HUNDREDS. Why are you so obsessed with it?

          • Man of Sin

            That’s strange because I all see is people taking a dump on you in the comments.

            And why are you so obsessed with this topic?

          • Veeter99

            A dump? LOL You like insults and think they are a way to win a discussion? They’re not.

            Those comments are nothing more than bluster and BS.

            They mean zero because none of those “people” ever came up with anything to successfully refute the debunking in the article or my counterpoints. Also, they can’t prove this was a staged event, so like you they came up empty.

          • Man of Sin

            Lol you and he author failed to address posters like eyekonoklast and David Paul.

          • Veeter99

            I don’t remember them; paste their comments here if you think they’re worthy.

    • Man of Sin

      The father, boyfriend, and shooter have been proven to have acting careers.

      • Veeter99

        That doesn’t prove this was a staged shooting.

        • Man of Sin

          Daniel Wulz Is also a film maker. Lol

          So you think there is nothing strange about this at all?

          • Veeter99

            Nothing strange at all. Everything that has been brought up by you conspiracy people as “strange” has fallen flat.

          • Man of Sin

            Fall flat? No countered eyekonoklast’s points and the author backed away from an argument with David Paul.

          • Veeter99

            I don’t remember David Paul or eyekonoklast; paste their comments here if you think they’re worthy.

          • SnoopyBrown

            It would be weirder if they didn’t work in the media. You’ve got one (dad) person out of 6 (dad, boyf, ex-boyf, shooter, 2 victims) for whom it’s not obvious why they’d have a connection to acting/media. Even then, how many people in showbiz have kids who enter showbiz? They are many and numerous.

  • fannie hagard

    What about the boyfriend saying we had monthly anniversaries because we didn’t get chance to have a yearly anniversary? How did he know they wouldn’t make it to a year?

    • Veeter99

      This has already been discussed here in the comments.

      Many couples celebrate the date they began dating or the date they began to have feelings for each other on a monthly basis for the first year or more.

    • mr. tinfoil

      they are reporters. they both work at different times and they work a lot of hours.

  • Robert D Marshner

    This maybe a real shooting but it happened in june or july of 1995 it was also the very first year for tag readers in police cars some where i have the vhs tape of this shooting i’ll have to find a vhs player to play the tape but this is a 1995 news story not a story from today sorry nice try though oh and back then the shooter was her boyfriend

    • Veeter99

      If it happened in 1995, explain the fact that Alison and Adam were an ongoing news team in 2015 at the ages they were when this happened. People watching WDBJ had been seeing them on air every day; at least Alison as Adam was a camera man.

      If it happened in 1995, they’d be children. In the video.

      Where do you nutjobs come up with these poorly thought-out theories?

    • mr. tinfoil

      are you kidding me? me and adam were like the same age and in kindergarten.

  • Terry Bolin

    All the videos of reenactments I see casings leaving the slide. All but the real video?

    • Veeter99

      That was covered in the article. Did you miss that part?

      Also, it’s been discussed many times in the comments. Check out those discussions.

    • Allen Cunningham

      I totally agree. It doesn’t look real at all!

  • John Imhof

    Thank you for pointing out the obvious, and terrible truth of this event. Those who clain conspiraacy, etc. are just fools.

    • Man of Sin

      Three people involved in this are actual actors.

      • Veeter99

        Until you prove they were acting here, you’ve got nothing.

  • Michael Blaine

    There’s no legitamate way to dispute what’s been said here. Of course people will try but it’s just not credible. These poor people are dead for nothing aside from the same narcissism that leads people to believe everything that ever happens has been planned out well in advance and they will be the one to prove it

    • Man of Sin

      You should read the comment which destroyed this guy’s argument.

      • Veeter99

        Why are you being so vague?

        “The comment”? Which comment are you referring to?

        “This guy’s argument”? Which argument? And which guy?

  • Michael Blaine

    And most of this thread is one guy talking to one other guy pretending to be 15 other people,it’s surreal

  • lan

    The envelope she’s holding seems to be curled in the grasp of her hand while in the other clip it’s. Straight in a pinch grip. Just an observation.

    • Veeter99

      It looks kind of curled in the shooter’s video, but that’s because it was taken with a cheap low res cell phone and her fingers and the envelope (or folded piece of paper) are difficult to distinguish from each other in the semi-darkness; it gives the impression that it’s curled, but it’s not. It’s sort of an optical illusion.

  • Allen Cunningham

    The video of the gun firing looks totally fake… This just doesn’t look like a real gun firing.

    • Veeter99

      It doesn’t look fake to me at all. In what way does it look fake to you? Be specific and give detail.

      • Man of Sin

        Watch “Virginia News Reporter Shooting: Comprehensive Proof it was Completely Staged / Fake” video on youtube.

        • Veeter99

          That video is so insufferably moronic; I can’t believe you recommended it to me or think it’s worth watching. Are you just trolling, or do you really think it’s based on good thinking?

          Last night, I got through about the first half of it and had to stop because I just couldn’t stomach any more “stupid.” That guy makes so many invalid assumptions, it’s mind boggling. Both of you need to take a freshman level college course in logic and then you *might* understand how stupid it is to believe in such a fallacious line of reasoning.

          I’ll finish it eventually. Just for laughs.

          And just now, I Googled “san bernardino shooting hoax” just to see if the same morons were back out there hawking their snake oil; peekay22, redsilverj, etc. Well, guess what? They most certainly are. ….SMH….

          Morons.

          • Man of Sin

            You’re reply is late. I already moved on from this topic.

          • Veeter99

            MoS, you said, “You’re reply is late. I already moved on from this topic.”

            That’s all that’s left for you to say when you’ve been squashed like a bug and you know there’s no way you can defend that guy’s stupid video.

            Pwned.

            Running like a little girl.

            Are you on the “San Bernandino hoax” now? Can you recommend any incredibly incisive videos proving it was staged?

            Hahaha.

          • Man of Sin

            You squashed me? Ha! You concede when you said you weren’t going to watch the videos.

          • Veeter99

            Yes, I squashed you.

            There’s a huge difference between “you stopped watch the videos” (you should probably proof your posts because that one’s pretty bad) and me telling you “I got through about the first half of it and had to stop because I just couldn’t stomach any more ” ‘stupid’ ” and “I’ll finish it eventually.”

            So, no concession, as you claim.

            Didn’t provide a counter-argument? Are you claiming you missed my reply to your post (the one you began with “Lol that differs”) below?

            You’re hilarious, dude. And I still can’t believe you recommended that guy’s moronic video.

            Get busy cleaning up your mess, MoS… just *try* to make counter-arguments to my reply I just referred to. I’d love to see you try to squirm your way through that.

          • Man of Sin

            How did you “squashed” me if you ignored my biggest points?

        • mr. tinfoil

          do you believe everything on youtube? that’s sad.

          • Mutherphucker

            I no longer care for this topic.

    • http://smu.gs/L1p7XU winston

      Then you dont know what a real gun firing looks like. I’ve shot and been around guns my whole life. There’s no reason to think it is not real. (I love how you come to this extreme conclusion and then offer no evidence whatsoever in support of it !). Remember, the way a thing ‘looks’ and the way it is are not the same thing. Often they are two very different things..
      Just based on appearances and my extensive history with firearms,, nothing about it looks unusual..the recoil, muzzle flash, her reaction, all appear horribly legit.

  • Man of Sin

    Just read the time arguement. I live in New Jersery where we go by eastern time and the tweet says 6:34 AM.

  • Kelsey Sheffield

    Keelan Balderson, I’m not saying this was a hoax… I’m not saying that at all. But something you said doesn’t add up. You said the tweet will show in whatever time zone you are in. Okay. Cool. That makes complete sense. So I live in the same time zone as Virginia and it says 6:34 am. And no, I didn’t look at a screenshot. It’s his actual Twitter account. What’s your explanation of that?

    • Keelan Balderson

      Click your profile picture and then go to settings. Under Timezone what does it say? It’s possible that it’s not actually synced to the right time zone for you.

  • diffinate hoax

    No bullet casing ejected from the gun…. plus in your gif of the head nod, there is NO head nod in one of the shots.

    • http://smu.gs/L1p7XU winston

      Just bc you dont see them in his crap camera phone video doesnt mean they werent there! How can you not get this? It’s like the people who watch Sandy Hook parents and say, ‘see, no tears. It’s all fake ‘ Right, bc not seeing something in recorded images and it actually not being there are the same thing.

      • Jeremy Kniffin

        what’s your excuse for the people in the community who said sandy hook was closed for months and wasnt’ even in use??? Oh those witnesses don’t count right?

  • http://smu.gs/L1p7XU winston

    Please dont call these people ‘truthers.’ Truthers are people (like those at the Journal of 911 Studies or Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth) who deal specifically with fact-based evidence and nothing else. Certainly not baseless claims, or Sandy Hook hoaxers; people who think every mass shooting is a staged event. Actual evidence not required. People who think appearances and facts are the same thing, when they’re anything but the same thing. As Carl Sagan famously wrote, ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’ I get the feeling half of this nonsense is disinformation meant to muddy the waters by confusing the less critically-minded among us.

    • Dan

      No, those so-called “truthers” don’t give a rat’s ass about truth. They only care about blaming America for wars caused by our enemies, and yes many of the people making these accusations are the same despicable jackasses claiming 9/11 wasn’t carried out by Al-Qaeda, including the leadership of “Journal of 9/11 Studies” and A&E911Doof (which is what they should be called).

      • http://smu.gs/L1p7XU winston

        Nonsense. How can seeking truth and justice for the slaughter of thousands of Americans ever be ‘anti-American’ ? Could you make a more absurd comment? I dont think so.
        The perpetrators of the 911/anthrax attacks are the ones who are anti-American. No one and I mean no one, can look at the facts of the 911/anthrax attacks objectively and not conclude they were domestic crimes carried out by the same perpetrators. WTC7’s implosion alone proves 911 was an inside job. And then there is a literal mountain of other mutually supportive fact-based evidence. There is no way around that conclusion.

        The GWOT is based on lies and has done nothing but kill a million innocent people, double the US national debt in a decade and create terrorism on an unprecedented scale.
        **People interested in the truth should read “Another Nineteen” by Kevin Ryan and “The 2001 Anthrax Deception” by MacQueen. both are devastating.

      • steve button

        Calling truthers “Jackasses” while claiming ‘Al-Qaeda’ did 9/11 makes you sound very dumb indeed

  • Elizabeth

    Wow reading this discusion saddens me.
    Would love to live in this fantasy world where people don’t really die. Maybe if mom and dad told a few of you that lassie was dead and not frolicking on a doggie island or even if your video games did not have soo many lives you might grasp the concept.if any of you know where this fantasy island is where all these fake dead people go let me know. I would like to see my fake dead husband.
    Until then I hope the hoaxers don’t own guns . No grasp on reality .
    I’m sure you people are fun at funerals . Do you poke the bodies to make sure they are real?

    • steve button

      It doesn’t sadden you….you don’t care. You just want to believe the media wouldn’t do anything like this -so u don’t. This might NOT be a hoax. But I know there are many of these incidents that CLEARLY are. But the fact that most of the naysayers are using this shooting to try to rubbish all claims of media fakery is extremely telling. Most “Truthers” don’t believe everything is a hoax. But most naysayers think there are ZERO hoaxes…and a lot of other clearly false beliefs..I could go on and on

  • Cuna Lingus

    Let us not mince words here folks…… If you believe all of this idiocy, and you have come to accept that this OBVIOUSLY FAKE INCIDENT AND COMPLETE HOAX IS THE REMOTEST BIT REAL, YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON. There is no other way to see it. The entire incident is staged, and it is so plain to see that it was faked and does not add up, as there are countless holes in the official story, that only a complete fool and gullible buffoon could believe that his actually happened. And if you are offended, then you’re exponentially more stupid that just plain stupid people, or you are a troll who is in on the intended portrayal of these false events. Sorry if the truth hurts. Deal with it.

    • Veeter99

      Hilarious, “cuna lingus.” It’s you who is the obvious troll and COMPLETE MORON.

      You nutjobs are so easy to spot. You all say the same things and really seem to love using ALL CAPS.

      Since I’m sure you’ll attack me for being a government shill, etc. please, before you do, tell me which institution of higher learning you graduated from in order to have acquired such impeccable critical thinking skills?

    • http://www.amazon.com/author/shaunwebb Shaun Webb

      They are dead.

    • mr. tinfoil

      you’re wrong about this whole thing.

  • John West

    Well thats a lot. I will pass that link on to friends.

  • http://www.amazon.com/author/shaunwebb Shaun Webb

    She’s dead, he’s dead. I know it for fact. What else do these “conspiracy” trolls want? They are dead, it was real.

  • SnoopyBrown

    I saw internet comments about how it’s been a proven conspiracy hoax which the MSM have accepted. I thought that that would be the most bizarre story so googled it and found this page. I now see that it was proven in the sense that most people in echo chambers confuse opinion with established fact.

    I’m particularly saddened for the poor girl’s ex. Surely at least some tiny, non-deluded part of them must think that they could be wrong, and that if they are that’s an evil way to treat someone. Awful. At best it’s psychopathic.

  • Matthew Leatherneck Marriott

    good writing, but it wont matter much. in my experience, most people stick to believing what THEY WANT TO BELIEVE- IN LIFE, BELIEF REALLY IS A CHOICE, AND THESE INCIDENTS PROVE THAT.

    ive appreciated your rebuttals, most of my issues centered around the boyfriend, and his dual facebooks with dual names, and the fact that in 4 separate interviews i saw him using literally the same exact words, verbatim.

    he came across as possibly lying, at the least disingenuous, but the truth is he could have simply been any or all of the following:
    – actually gay, and she was just camouflage
    – someone with very different emotional reactions than ive considered normal
    – a narcissistic, shitty boyfriend

    i really wish you would have focused a bit more on those accusations:
    – the dual facebooks with different names
    – the coincidence that a LOT of these people happened to be actors in real life
    – that in 4 separate interviews, at no point did he shed a tear, et al.

    truthfully, it would be about impossible to convince me that the relationship was as described, but the world is full of bad boyfriends, no conspiracy necessary.

    none of these factors mean the murder didnt happen. good blog.

  • Commenter

    this guy assumes that “truthers” are the same people for every event in question. While there may be some, to not question anything the media or gov’t tells you is as much folly as not believing anything.

  • Paul Kersey

    This is just another Gun Grab Roadshow HOAX! The media is allowed to do these things and lie because of NDAA. They are classified as “entertainment” and have no obligation to tell the truth. This is a fact!
    Add this to the list of previous False Flags
    -9/11
    -Boston Bombing
    -Aurora Batman Shooting
    -Sandy Hoax
    -WDBJ obvious fake shooting with an acting prop called a “non gun”
    -San Bernardino
    The list goes on and on…
    BTW, this “Veeter” clown is an obvious paid troll. What a job he’s got, I hope your momma is proud.

    • Veeter99

      PK, you say I’m “an obvious paid troll.” That is complete BS and so typical of your type.

      I came here on the recommendation of a friend who thought it was a hoaxed shooting and I was completely open minded. Then after seeing how well the article debunked the “hoax believers,” followed by how weak you believers are when trying to push back, there was no doubt which side had logic, reason, and facts on their side.

      Your post here, for instance; you don’t even *try* to supply anything to counter the article’s thrust. All you’re doing is grandstanding.

      How much of the article and the comments have you actually read?

    • mr. tinfoil

      you say that it’s a hoax but where you there? did you know the victim’s relatives? did you go to the funeral? no you did not. nobody deserves to get shot and you’re here disrespecting their memory.

  • Drive By

    this debunks nothing. It’s obvious the bullets were blanks, otherwise the shell would discharge up and to the right. No shell = blanks. Blanks = a hoax. The first shot is framed well enough to prove this beyond any doubt. Not that complicated.
    Hoax 1.
    Debunk 0.

    • Veeter99

      People here who know a lot more about firearms and cheap cellphone cameras than you have verified the debunking. Read way down through the comments and find out why you’re wrong.

      And guess what? There’s already a bunch of morons on YouTube claiming they have “proof” that the Orlando shooting was a hoax, too. I guess for you guys, *everything* fits your preconceived notions, right?

      Okay, get busy… there’s a lot of good stuff in the hundreds of comments that blows your “hoax theories” out of the water. Enjoy.

      • steve button

        Orlando was 100% hoax

        • Veeter99

          Where’s your evidence?

          Or are you just trolling?

  • Veeter99

    The nutjobs are out in force on YouTube again, declaring Dallas and other recent shootings are fake/hoax/false flag/etc. Just look what you find when you search “dallas police shooting hoax:”

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dallas+police+shooting+hoax

  • mr. tinfoil

    alison did a report on my annoying adopted sister. i haven’t seen her since and my mom hasn’t talked to her since it happened. my annoying adopted sister has alison’s jewelry now. they also went to her funeral. i’m very proud that they proved it right to crazies that they are wrong.