Share Shoot The Messenger: 77 Ripple Effect Creator In Court
Nov 5th, 2010 | By Keelan Balderson | Category: 77 Truth, Breaking News |
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Although I obviously have my own criticisms of the 7/7 Ripple Effect documentary, it was an extremely powerful eye opener at the time of its release and sparked a fire in the minds of the British people, who began to rightfully question the official version of the London Bombings. Without this film I probably would never have produced 7/7 The Big Picture. And for that I’m grateful.
It came as quite a shock to me that the creator of the movie John Anthony Hill has actually been dealing with the burden his film created for a number of years; not just the BBC hit-piece that accosted him in the street like a criminal, but from the authorities themselves.
I stand by my point that we should remain as down to earth as possible when dealing with such high profile matters, and that the whole “Messiah” thing probably didn’t help Mr. Hill in gaining credibility for the ideas in his film (David Icke still has to deal with the son of God comments to this day), but upon looking at Hill’s case more closely I wouldn’t put it past our overlords to simply be “shooting the messenger” and grossly over-exaggerating his quirks as a means to discredit alternative research in to 7/7.
On November 11, John Hill is in court for the second time, defending himself on the charge of perverting the course of justice, and fabricating evidence that might cause injustice. The maximum sentence on the original arrest warrant was Life Imprisonment.
So what was his grand crime? Paying off juries? Putting the squeeze on a judge?
Nope…simply mailing his documentary film to a UK court during the trial of the 3 men who were alleged to be accomplices in the 7/7 attacks.
One would assume the Judge is in control of his own mind, and would easily be able to filter this wild conspiracy theory nonsense out of his head during the trial (better yet don’t watch the film), but it seems this evil white-British 60 year old member of Al-Qaeda could have brainwashed him, so Mr. Hill now faces the full brunt of the European Union and extradition from Ireland.
As reported by the WiseUpJournal:
This trial could set an EU-wide legal precedent in two ways:
1. Make sending what you perceive as controversial truth to law enforcers a criminal offense.
2. Allow individuals who directly send what they perceive as truth by post, emails or any other means to law enforcers to be incarcerated in foreign prisons.
On Nov 11 you can experience the fight for freedom at the Four Courts, Dublin City Centre, and get a first-hand look at how the legal system is really run. This is John Anthony Hill’s second and final trial to be extradited to London; his state appointed barrister lost him the first one. This time you can witness the brave John Anthony Hill taking on the battle for EU freedom himself without any barrister or legal team.
According to British Law, perverting the course of justice falls under one of three acts:
- Fabricating or disposing of evidence
- Intimidating or threatening a witness or juror
- Intimidating or threatening a judge
As far as I can see John Hill has done none of the above. His film is not a fabrication of evidence, it is a string of news clips and personal ponderings. It wasn’t evidence at the scene nor evidence presented in the case.
Fabrication of evidence would be if he planted something at the scene of the crime, or if he came forward with a witness statement despite not being present.
It is certainly clear that this elderly gentlemen didn’t accost any judges or jurors either.
So what exactly is the basis of his arrest? Freedom of speech? Having an alternative opinion?
I myself had considered sending my film to various prominent figures, to those involved with the incarceration of Mohammed Hamid and to people associated with the 7/7 case, but for now copies will only be reserved for average members of the public. We no longer live in a free world and I can’t risk having my life stripped away at 20 years old, just because I have alternative information.
The hypocrisy here of course is that the 7/7 London Bombings never went through a judicial process. Unfortunately the alleged bombers are presumably not alive and therefore can’t stand trial, and of course there was no inquiry. Instead we must simply accept what the Government has told us as being the truth. At the very least the events of that day are open to interpretation, and that is all John Hill has done.
Lets look at those three points again.
- Fabricating or disposing of evidence
- Intimidating or threatening a witness or juror
- Intimidating or threatening a judge
The official narrative fabricated the original train time that the alleged bombers got, it used Richard Jone’s testimony that he saw Hasib Hussain on the number 30 bus despite photographic evidence proving he was describing somebody else.
Initial evidence of high grade, possibly military explosives, was tossed aside. They completely ignored evidence of prior knowledge and a wider network of intelligence assets. What about evidence of explosives coming up through the floor of the carriages? Or the complete lack of DNA evidence and CCTV evidence of them boarding their alleged targets?
We could go on for days about the lack of evidence, contradictory evidence or the convenient ignoring of evidence. Wouldn’t this fall under Fabricating or disposing of evidence? In order to pervert the course of justice in to a predisposed conclusion?
We’re living in dangerous times. Freedom is an illusion and those that stand up and expose that are the enemies of the empire – let John Hill be an example that the tyranny is real. First they shot they messenger…
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The U.K. sounds a lovely place to take stances and prove each other wrong. The USA doesn’t have that luxury; we all just do what we are told and watch the telly. We’ve been properly educated to obey and give over thinking things through. The authorities in our Homeland department are proper fierce and everyone running the show are proper wealthy. We poor sods slog along through the mud and acquiesce silently to ingesting GMO foods while watching odd bits rain down on us from streaky clouds in the sky. You wouldn’t like it here. Everyone has the same stance and we are all exactly certain we are right. You would be thought quite odd for getting in a tizzy with all this thinking about what is true.
Although, in the dark of night when no one is around, I sometimes wonder if perhaps we are wrong since your beer is stronger.
The government aren’t simply shooting the messenger, this kook has a group of followers who worship him as the reborn Jesus Christ, God on earth. They used to post on the UK Column forum.
He gives them a Bible code to scrammble up the text and tells them they are the only ones who know the true interpritations of the Gospels.
Hence why I’ve steered clear of the whole thing. More power to him if that’s what he believes, but I can’t go there.
That press release, the title of which carries a question mark and the word terrorism in quotation marks, does not state he is being tried for terrorism, as Bridget falsely alleges. Legitimate concerns are raised about why counter-terrorist officers should be leading the case against Muad’Dib, which has nothing to do with terrorism. This is very different to how Bridget spins it. Shouldn’t everyone be concerned at counter-terrorism officers being involved in something that has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism?
As for possibly receiving a life sentence, it is her OPINION that he won’t. But that is the maximum sentence stated on the Warrant for the charge. Should we be silent about what appears on the Warrant, and instead accept Bridget’s word that it won’t happen? In any case, whether it happens or not, there is no untruth in accurately reporting what the Warrant itself says, so the untrue publicity is coming from Bridget herself:-
“the current publicity from his supporters claiming that he may receive a life sentence and that he is being tried for terrorism are untrue.”
[i]Danny: I don’t know where anyone has stated that Muad’Dib is being tried for terrorism. Perhaps you can point me to where someone alleges this? I can tell you that a counter-terrorist officer has been present at the 2 bail hearings so far, and I believe he has spoken before the court.[/i]
You could look at one of your own press releases:
Posting DVDs now an act of “Terrorism”? | Friends of Muad’Dib
As for receiving a ‘life sentence’ as I’ve previously responded to you or one of Muad’s other disciples: yes perhaps for holding a gun to a jurors head or something very serious but not for sending a dvd.
“useless eater” I’ve deleted your recent messages. I’m not opposed to sharing info but please put all the links in one post and give a little backstory…people wanna know what they’re clicking. Cheers.
Bridget said: “Of course J7 don’t believe that Muad’dib should be on trial for his actions, actions which we have never supported and were of little consequence, but the current publicity from his supporters claiming that he may receive a life sentence and that he is being tried for terrorism are untrue. ”
I don’t know where anyone has stated that Muad’Dib is being tried for terrorism. Perhaps you can point me to where someone alleges this? I can tell you that a counter-terrorist officer has been present at the 2 bail hearings so far, and I believe he has spoken before the court.
The other point you raise about receiving a possible life sentence, which you allege is untrue; I can now refute with total confidence, since yesterday I received a scan (copy) of part of the arrest warrant plus a list of the (still) confiscated items the police took from Muad’Dib’s house. I quote from the same:-
” (h) The following offence on the basis of which this warrant has been issued are punishable by a custodial life sentence or lifetime detention order:
Doing an act tending and intended to pervert the course of public justice, contrary to common law. ”
If anyone would like a copy please let me know through the Contact form at http://mtrial.org
How interesting, Useless Eater, that ‘more and more people’ are (apparently) saying this about J7 at precisely the same time as J7 are exposing the State’s narrative via our 7/7 Inquests blog. J7 have been around for nearly 5 years. we published our review of 7/7 RE over 3 years ago – but only now are we being considered ‘gatekeepers’? I wonder why that is?
Let’s get my response to abe’s comment in context shall we? This is what he wrote:
the point why anything is to be considered no matter how wild it is, is because officials sources feed us such lies and bullshit. taken in the round, this war between christians and muslims is being orchestrated by Jews, remember it was jewish money that funded all the previous christian wars on muslims ,
the crusades were about christian and muslim soldiers dying not for religion, but for jews to make money and so it is with this.
You responded that this was similar to using the term ‘nigga’ between mates. I argued that it revealed his world view and exposed a warped historical analysis.
Did you check out Conspiratology btw?
Yes I agree, the Truth does have a life of it’s own, it’s organic and is precisely why J7 is a Truth Campaign. J7 have worked tirelessly for the Truth since its inception, is more than just one person, and we’ll continue to work tirelessly for Truth & Justice despite our detractors – detractors who strangely claim to be on the side of Truth but more often than not are on the side of an a priori set of beliefs.
Bridget, I wasn’t excusing anyone of anything, merely pointing out words have different meanings depending on who’s saying them & who they’re saying them to.
You were condemning Abe for using a word & once again demonstrating your need to belittle, censor, ignore & shut down other people’s ideas & opinions rather than showing interest or clarification.
You have just done the same to me & I don’t think that was deserved but whatever.
Who made you word police? Your attitude not only speaks volumes about you Bridget, it is exactly what more & more people are saying about J7 so thanks for your responses even tho many seemed deliberately censorious & antagonistic & frankly, rude.
I am not responsible for Christianity, whatever that means to you, or for slaughtering millions & therefore have nothing to wash my hands of, feel guilty for, so I am able to go where truth takes me.
If that involves looking at the growing evidence that Mossad was involved in both 7/7 & 9/11 then I will consider it & fuck the holocaust which is another mental straightjacket which you are welcome to wear if you want.
You don’t seem to have the same freedom & I am left wondering why that is…
Self censorship?
Lots of politically correct people do that & as a result feel the need to do it to others.
I hope it’s that because the other obvious possibility is deliberate gatekeeping & I can’t think of any worse fate to be someone doing that for a living.
Time will tell & people will work it out for themselves.
People are savvy to what is going down & truth has a life of it’s own.
Love to all :)
I wouldn’t say there was growing evidence that Mossad was involved with 7/7 – there appears to have been an element of prior knowledge (which is pretty much where it’s always been), but we can also say the same for Saudi intelligence and obviously British as well. I don’t know of any new evidence of Mossad involvement.
Useless Eater: I have no idea what role you have played in 7/7 truth – but J7 are a truth campaign, have a proven track record and are very clear in our statement that truth is a process not a process of confirmation bias no matter what our suspicions or our understanding of previous cases of false-flag terrorism. J7 will continue to push the State for all the evidence that they claim to have and continue to examine the evidence as it emerges during the inquests. If anything can be learnt from 9/11 it is that alternative theories, rather than pressure to re-open the 9/11 investigation, lead nowhere. It is nearly 10 years since the event and 2 wars and mass slaughter have occurred in its name, where precisely is the 911 truth movement? J7′s position is that the State must be forced to prove its case otherwise it is just another CT and unproven narrative. This position obviously doesn’t suit everyone as 7/7 RE shows.
I would suggest you google Conspiratology before you lecture me on it.
After reading your laughable excuse for an explanation of abe’s comment I have little respect for anything else you say – any world view or historical analysis that somehow chooses to wash Christianity’s hands clean of the slaughter of millions in its name by blaming the ‘jews’ is surely suspect. I don’t think religion matters as much as power, money and property amongst the ruling classes, it is used by them as a means of repression and to keep the poor and powerless in their place.
Hey Bridget,
I didn’t say you were in the pay of the state & I don’t question your personal integrity. Only you know your heart & what anyone else says is conjecture until proven.
However, I look at the state of the 7/7 truth movement here in the UK & personally when I compare it to the 9/11 truth in the US, which comprises of many groups & individuals then I think we have much to learn from them, don’t you?
We all are fighting in our own ways & all bring different approaches & we should treat each others efforts with respect, open mindedness & curiousity, not superiority or censure.
“‘jews’ – a racist term, no?”
No!
It depends on his intent & the perception of the person hearing it. I know black geezas that call each other ‘nigga’ as an affectionate & respectful term. I even know a white guy that calls a black guy ‘nigga’ & they are good friends.
Racism is not the words we say but our intent & our relationship with the person we express ourselves to & how they perceive us.
You should get out more…
Regarding infiltration Bridget, this can take many forms & if you were infiltrated by secret services, I’m afraid you wouldn’t know (unless it’s just you of course!) or that’s not infiltration :) It’s rather naive of you to believe this & you underestimate the people who would be interested in doing so.
The perpetrators of 7/7 clearly have the ability to not only censor media, but to arrange hit pieces & disinfo.
They also have control over politicians who have demonstrated complicity in the cover up.
The forces at work here even had power to prevent investigation by the police & now are apparently able to make the 7/7 inquests nothing more than pantomime.
Would you agree?
Now who could possibly have so much power to exert such a broad spectrum control?
I don’t buy into good & evil Bridget & being prepared to explore the evidence we are living under a fascist government which oppresses, lies to, steals from & even assassinates it’s own people for political ends is proven by historical precedence & current events & is not seeking to take refuge from a tough reality.
Realising your government has murdered British people & demonstrates contempt towards our human dignity on a daily ongoing basis is not the easy option Bridget & implying it is a pretty standard technique of those who can’t or won’t allow their paradigm to be threatened.
Frankly, I think the opposite is the case.
“…we’ll leave the Conspiratology to others” doesn’t bode well for J7′s credibility or the 7/7 movement as a whole.
Surely, if nothing else, we can agree that 7/7 was an act of conspiracy by very powerful people?
To be sitting on the fence about that at this point in time is not tenable surely?
There is overwhelming evidence of government, military, media involvement in a conspiracy to prevent proper investigation & to subvert the truth.
At the same time as doing this, it starts 2 illegal wars of aggression on innocent people in other countries killing a million & a half whilst it accelerates the removal of our liberties & turns us, our children & unborn grandchildren into debt slaves.
History tells us over & over again that power conspires against the people to deny them liberty.
If you don’t see this Bridget, then you’re in a minority that gets smaller everyday & J7 will become less relevant which would be a shame if you are genuine truth seekers.
…& if you are, don’t use the same techniques on others in the truth movement that have been used by government & media try to marginalise & silence us.
Don’t try set our terms of reference for us (or the words we can & can’t say!) or deride others whilst claiming you “have no idea a) what happened, b) how it happened, and c) who made it happen.”
Chin Chin.
Useless Eater, abe’s comment didn’t mention Zionism though it only referred to ‘jews’ – a racist term, no?
J7′s view of 7/7 RE were clearly made in our review of this film which you can read here if you haven’t already:
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html
Our issues with Muad’dib’s story have nothing to do with credibility or fear of being considered CTs. Neither are we an ‘infiltrated campaign’ or ‘intelligence led’ – which I know for a fact. If we had uncritically supported 7/7 RE then you could doubt our credentials. J7 will stick to what we do well and will continue to do so – which is to keep pressure on the State (which we have no illusions in) for Truth & Justice. If that makes J7 unpopular then so be it, we’ll leave the Conspiratology to others and won’t be side tracked by the many weird and not so wonderful agendas that proliferate on these issues.
Fascism was and is a political movement that feeds on the despair and fear amongst the middle classes amidst similar economic conditions to those that exist today, it was fostered amongst ‘Positive Christians’ with the support of the Catholic Church amongst others and was the triumph of finance capital. If we are to avoid Fascism v.2 we need to understand the forces that were at work then and now – and the scapegoating of any minority, in this case Muslims or even Jews, will only aid the Fascist cause. I really don’t need to be told to open my mind or wake up , I’m more than aware of the political situation and it doesn’t require the peddling of various narratives, myths or stories but an understanding of the reality then and now. Realities are tougher to deal with, more complex to understand and cannot be analysed through the prism of good and evil, and there will be no quick fixes or easy solutions.
I find it interesting that these absurd accusations of being in the pay of the State are made now when J7 are analysing the 7/7 Inquests and exposing the deeply flawed official version of these events:
http://77inquests.blogspot.com/
Strange, no?
I don’t think Abe’s comment was racist Bridget.
He is only referring to powerful & destructive Zionist agenda which is backed by Rothschild money & power & ruthless military terrorism on humanity.
Instead of immediately responding with political correctness & censure to score points with Keelan, open your mind.
Controlled opposition can take many forms Bridget & a great deal of time & money is spent by power to undermine & infiltrate organisations like yours in order to limit your effectiveness & restricting your agenda.
I think your editorial reaction to the RE was more about protecting J7′s credibility & I can understand that, but I think J7 needs to reflect the massive change in public awareness of our criminal government & secret services & not to put credibility before inquiry & curiosity, courage & truth.
These are unprecedented times & we’re all doing the best we can & learning as we go.
J7 seems to still be operating in a bubble, where we believed government was good & we lived in free society & that has gone now.
7/7 was a secret service(s) false flag operation by elements within government against it’s own people. It also clearly involved control of mainstream media & parliament & police & now judiciary.
A conspiracy which can only happen & be maintained by establishment power.
We know.
Don’t be so scared of being called a conspiracy theorist because 2010 was when we found out we were right. Man made Global Warming Conspiracy.
Autism-Mercury-Vaccines Conspiracy.
Economic ‘collapse’ deliberately engineered.
Criminal collusion between banksters & rent boy politicians to defraud the British people & create debt slaves of our children & grandchildren.
This is fascism & we all need to have courage & not attack each other.
The guy who made RE is on the same side & his film had some good points & perspectives which could be explored further by others with more journalistic skills.
To simply attack it’s credibility was a lost opportunity & how the establishment is punishing him should be of great concern to you unless you are a on the government payroll, which only you know. Shit happens Bridget.
Your government plays dirty.
Wake up & come down off the moral high ground.
Love to all x
This joke prosecution by the unrightful Queen of Battenberg doesn’t stand a chance.
They try and prosecute Lord Muad forgetting he has this up his sleeves:
“A bullet-proof (if used properly) defence that you can use in court (if THEY* don’t immediately panic, get scared and drop all charges against you), in front of a jury of your peers, to clear yourself of all charges and bring down the evil system once and for all. Don’t get mad, get determined!” (http://jforjustice.co.uk/)
Even without the bulletproof defense no judge or jury comprised of people with sound and right minds is going to put God Himself in prison.
Well I don’t feel the need to reply to every comment. But if I haven’t made my position clear umpteen times in various forms. No it’s not all orchestrated by the jooos…although the corrupt israeli government have a lot to answer for.
Keelan you obviously moderate your comments:
http://wideshut.co.uk/shoot-the-messenger-77-ripple-effect-creator-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-8899
Yet this went uncommented on by you.
Abe who?
I take it you’re being sarcastic, but I’m not with it at the mo.
Apologies I hadn’t meant to write Ireland – Rightful King of Britain and Israel is the actual title Muad’dib claims is his:
“On 13/June/1988, 40 years from the Fig Tree putting forth its new shoots in 1948, Christ served a High Court Writ upon the British Parliament, at court in the City of Sheffield, where his new body had been born in 1948, as prophesied, demanding that he be acknowledged by Parliament as the Rightful British-Israel King.”
http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm
“New shoots” of course was the tragedy of the Nakbah.
As for Danny claiming that the BBC’s 7/7 CF episode was shown in 2009 and 7/7 RE released in November 2007 – J7 was first contacted in July 2007 and again in December 2007 in respect of participating in this documentary.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j7-refuse-bbc-conspiracy-files-offer.html
Keelan I’m shocked that you published abe.cohen’s racism without commenting on it.
I just hope the guy gets some fair representation and isn’t “egged on” to keep doing the quasi-freeman stuff.
Perhaps The Sai Girl would like to let us all know what she figures the forces behind J7 are?
When people who claim to support Truth & Justice start throwing accusations of gate-keeping and infiltration around they should at least be able to support their arguments with facts. As an editor of J7 and a member of the J7 collective I happen to know that the last thing we are is an intelligence outfit, the fact of which is enough to make me doubt the motivation of people who claim we are.
J7 had no part in the production of 7/7 RE and have never supported its unsubstantiated narrative believing that what we need is the Truth, not another story claiming to be ‘what actually happened’. – we are also concerned that the timing of Muad’dib’s trial coinciding as it does with the 7/7 Inquests is just another State manipulation to discredit everyone who has valid questions in the same way that 7/7 RE was used by the BBC.
Of course J7 don’t believe that Muad’dib should be on trial for his actions, actions which we have never supported and were of little consequence, but the current publicity from his supporters claiming that he may receive a life sentence and that he is being tried for terrorism are untrue. Neither are we interested in his campaign to be recognised as the rightful King of Britain and Ireland, something his coterie of disciples such as Danny here will use this attack by State forces to promote.
Yeah baby, I’m with The Sai Girl!
It is a fucking insult to all our freedoms that this man is being harassed & the comments on this thread that support his prosecution stink of cointel…
As for J7, yeah their agenda is becoming more & more apparent to those in the know.
It doesn’t matter what you think of his work, that’s not the issue. All he did was send his DVD to a fucking court!!!
Wake up people & stop letting power & mind control dictate, & limit, your expectations.
This is wrong & I support Keelan’s integrity for standing up for this man.
Says a lot about you Bro.
Love to all x
Hill’s video thesis on the British state-sponsored false-flag London transit bombings of 7/7 is actually quite reasonable.
But even if one intellectually rejected both the general and the detailed propositions of his DVD, for someone to try and rationalize such a blatantly Orwellian effort to silence Hill (and thus set one hell of a dangerous PRECEDENT for the rest of us, is beyond outrage.
The fact that the “official” 7/7 “truth” org ( “J7″) is not making every effort to defend freedom of expression and a fully-informed judge/jury in this case is stunning in its transparency.
It reveals a lot.
I guess we can pretty much figure out who what forces are behind “J7″,
And how its being used to gatekeep against any real truth or justice with respect to the events of 7/7 or the brainwashing police-state “War on Terror”" as a whole.
Apparently the fake “opposition’ to state-sponsored false-flag terror is just as heavily infiltrated and manipulated in the UK as it is here in the USA, where so much of the “truth movement” is compromised by the intelligence agencies.
I know COINTELPRO-style argumentation when I see it.
In the above comment it should read: “Khan, Tanweer, Lindsay and Hussein”. Khan is mentioned twice by mistake.
StefZ said: “Criticisms of Muad’ib’s film aside, would you endorse sending unsolicited copies of your own film to 7/7 survivors, relatives of 7/7 victims and jurors in an ongoing criminal case? Personally, I find it impossible to support someone who would engage in such practices.”
If you believed that (a) the survivors and relatives of victims had not been told the truth, and (b) that the judge and jurors of an ongoing trial were not aware that doubt did exist about the official story, then why shouldn’t you? Both the judge and the prosecutor stated, before the trial commenced, that there was “no doubt” Khan, Tanweer, Lindsay and Khan had carried out the attacks. Is it okay for them to make such allegations, and nobody should seek to tell them different?
“An amicus curiae (also spelled amicus curiæ; plural amici curiae) is someone, not a party to a case, who volunteers to offer information to assist a court in deciding a matter before it. The information provided may be a legal opinion in the form of a brief (which is called an amicus brief when offered by an amicus curiae), a testimony that has not been solicited by any of the parties, or a learned treatise on a matter that bears on the case. The decision on whether to admit the information lies at the discretion of the court. The phrase amicus curiae is legal Latin and literally means “friend of the court”.” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amicus_curiae
The DVD’s were indeed sent to the Court, not to anyone’s private address, with the Court-case number clearly stated (“The decision on whether to admit the information lies at the discretion of the court.”).
So much for “such practices”, StefZ?
It should be up to the individual to decide whether or not to watch or read something. If I had been lied to, I would HOPE that somebody would be kind enough (and in this particular case brave enough) to let me know. And if a judge was perverting the course of justice (knowingly or unknowingly) even before a trial started, then it is a citizen’s duty to seek to straighten it (and him/her).
StefZ said: “And without casting further aspersions on Muad’ib personally,”
And then proceeds to do exactly that:-
StefZ said: “the timing of 7/7 RE’s release and its enthusiastic promotion on the Internet did synchronise beautifully with Lord M’s appearance on the BBC’s Conspiracy Files.”
Ripple Effect was released on 5th November 2007, and the BBC’s Conspiracy Files was aired on the 30th June 2009. That’s nearly two years later. So much for “synchronise beautifully”. You should also know that Muad’Dib declined to participate in their program, but don’t let that get in the way of your casting aspersions.
In essence, StefZ (and “J7″) wants us not to theorize about what happened on 7/7, but finds it acceptable to “theorize” (negatively) about Muad’Dib and wants us to accept these theories without proof, even when they are totally illogical and clearly way off the mark.
There’s a word for that.
If anyone, after reading Muad’Dib/John Anthony Hill’s “Submissions of the Appellant”, still believes He did anything wrong, they need their head AND their heart examined – http://mtrial.org/node/38
Here’s a little quote from them:-
“36. It is maintained that the alleged act of sending a DVD containing an alternative thesis in which the Appellant firmly believed, does not have a tendency to “pervert” the course of justice. If there was no pre-determination, as is mandatory in a fair trial, there was nothing to alter. There is no suggestion that the Appellant wanted anything other than a result that was right, natural and acceptable. He believes the alleged 7/7 bombers were innocent and sent the DVDs as an Amicus Curiae Brief. There is nothing to suggest he made any assertions in relation to the persons on trial.”
Thank you for reading.
the point why anything is to be considered no matter how wild it is, is because officials sources feed us such lies and bullshit. taken in the round, this war between christians and muslims is being orchestrated by Jews, remember it was jewish money that funded all the previous christian wars on muslims ,
the crusades were about christian and muslim soldiers dying not for religion, but for jews to make money and so it is with this.
Yes I am theorising about his intentions and I’ve supported the stance you’ve taken in your own work in my own small way. I’ve said my bit and I thank you for responding S.
Teenage girls are naive. Old men are foolish
You’ve get better sense than he has and he’s going to be what? Two, Three times your age?
No, Lord M. arguably doesn’t deserve a prison sentence but if he gets one that doesn’t make him a martyr to the cause of 7/7 Truth, just his own lack of judgement and empathy
Something to bear in mind is that if you are willing to accept that a Rogue Truther is foolish rather scheming, which is fair enough, you are hypothesising intentions and that is no different to those who choose cock-up over conspiracy
If being a Truther is to make any sense, we have to apply at least the same level of scrutiny to Unofficial Narratives as we do to Official ones
I don’t want to get deep in to this…I clearly don’t support his theories, I’ve been attacked for mocking his Messiah complex in my film, I’m just trying to be tactful.
Perhaps I am theorizing about his intentions, but so are you. I find it more likely that he is a well meaning elderly man that let the popularity of his film go to his head, rather than some kind of schemer. What has he gained out of this? Jailtime?
Whether for right or wrong, he is responsible for reaching a substantial amount of people, who are now willing to look deeper in to 7/7.
You should start a weekly news show on Youtube. Help kill the mainstream and get some REAL news to the people.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html
“As an addendum to the rebuttal and rejection of 7/7 Ripple Effect, J7 received email notification from Muad’Dib requesting cash donations and assistance in contacting the bereaved families and survivors in order to send them unsolicited copies of this film.
J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign immediately responded with a refusal to support or condone the film and J7 researchers universally condemned the intentions of Muad’Dib in the unsolicited sending of the film to bereaved families or survivors, re-iterating the point that J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign have never endeavoured to contact bereaved families or survivors. J7 are not in any way party to the making of the 7/7 Ripple Effect. We do not support the film, its producers, its unsubstantiated conjecture, or the sending of the film to relatives of victims or survivors, nor has J7 provided any assistance with locating relatives of the deceased.”
A lot of people were killed or suffered as a result of 7/7. Judging this particular prophet by his actions I doubt very much that he gives a monkey’s about any of them and I personally believe that he has tried to exploit their sufffering to further his own agenda
That’s not to support the actions of the State in its dealings with him but, like I said, I find it impossible to support him either
Criticisms of Muad’ib’s film aside, would you endorse sending unsolicited copies of your own film to 7/7 survivors, relatives of 7/7 victims and jurors in an ongoing criminal case? Personally, I find it impossible to support someone who would engage in such practices.
And without casting further aspersions on Muad’ib personally, the timing of 7/7 RE’s release and its enthusiastic promotion on the Internet did synchronise beautifully with Lord M’s appearance on the BBC’s Conspiracy Files
That kind of nonsense is still gong on today – I see plenty of plugs for, star of the Conspiracy Files, Nick Kollerstrom’s blog and 7/7 RE in places like David Icke’s site but little promotion for less flawed films such as Ludicrous Diversion, Seeds of Deconstruction or your own work. J7, the site which hosts so much of the research that other people call upon also seems to be absent from the more popular Conspiraloons’ radar. Largely, I suspect, because tthose other film makers and J7 have got enough common sense not to be making up fairy tales of their own
No I wouldn’t send my film during an ongoing case nor directly to bereaved families that hadn’t expressed an interest. Mohammed Hamid is a different case considering he himself had misgivings with the official 7/7 story and his daughter is campaigning, and they weren’t actually part of the day itself.
I have however considered sending it to high level media personalities, politicians, other researchers associated with 7/7 and some “experts” for their opinions or input. That’s just part of getting the info out there.
Personally I think John Hill is well meaning and perhaps a little naive. He doesn’t deserve a prison sentence.