It’s sad to see that too many people have no clue of what communism is, and have no idea of the difference between it and socialism. I guess this is wikipedia culture.

Anyway, when corporate power melts with political power, it’s FASCISM, that’s what actually america looks like.

Thank you.

1. Turn off or throw away your T.V.
2. Think for yourself.
3. Question all so-called ‘Authority’
4. Get out, and/or stay out, of debt!
5. Use cash, trade or barter as much as possible, rather than debit cards and credit cards
6. Get rid of grocery store ‘discount’ cards –grocery stores provide this information to insurance companies.
7. Bank at a Credit Union, or any alternative to the ‘TBTF’ Banks, that participated in the 2008 Banker Bailout.
8. Invest as much as you reasonably can in precious metals – especially silver.
9. You have the right to own a firearm, to protect yourself,and your family. Read the 2nd Amendment.
10. Buy products “Made in America”
11. Start your own garden
13. Meditate or pray – reduce your stress!
14. Get exercise!
15. Read a book (here is an excellent book recommendation: Psychological Warfare and the New World Order:The Secret War Against the American People
http://www.amazon.com/Psychological-Warfare-New-World-Order/dp/0932367232/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310394551&sr=8-1 )
16. Listen to soothing classical, jazz, ambient, or other alternative music
17. Watch ‘Freedom to Fascism’–a film by Aaron Russo (can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUpZhhbKUBo)
18. Watch ‘Why We Fight’–a film by Eugene Jarecki (can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…r_embedded)
19. Watch ‘Endgame’–a film by Alex Jones (can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho)
20. Below is advice from John Perkins’ book, entitled THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE (The Truth About Economic Hit Men,Jackals,And How To Change The World), pp. 322-329.

“AVOID SHOPPING AS ‘RETAIL THERAPY’ (Instead, jog, meditate, read, or find some other solution).
SHOP CONSCIOUSLY – if there is something you must have, purchase items whose packaging, ingredients, and methods of production are sustainable and support life.
MAKE EVERYTHING YOU OWN LAST AS LONG AS POSSIBLE
PURCHASE AT CONSIGNMENT AND THRIFT STORES –where everything is recycled.
Write letters telling Monsanto, De Beers, ExxonMobil, Adidas, Ford, GE, Coca-Cola, WALMART, and other labor exploiters and environment destroyers
why you REFUSE TO PURCHASE FROM THEM.
CUT BACK ON OIL AND GAS CONSUMPTION!
DOWNSIZE (your car, home, wardrobe) – everything in your life (and don’t buy what you don’t need)
SUPPORT/SEND MONEY only to non-profits, radio stations, and other organizations that promote JUST causes.
VOLUNTEER your time and energy to such organizations.
SUPPORT LOCAL MERCHANTS
ENCOURAGE stores to buy from local growers, producers, and suppliers.
Shop at your LOCAL FARMERS’ MARKET
AVOID DRINKING WATER THAT IS FLUORIDATED (only your toothpaste should have non-industrial fluoride)
INSIST that those who use your money – banks, pensions, mutual funds, companies – make socially and environmentally responsible investments.”
21. Invest in precious metals (especially silver).
22. Research every company whose products or services you buy
23. Research every organization to which you donate your hard-earned money
24. Vote with your dollars!
25. Watch ‘The Secret of Oz’– a film by William T. Still (can be found here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI)
26. Get prepared for when the U.S. dollar TOTALLY COLLAPSES – You’ll need 1) Water, 2) Food, 3) Vital Medicine 4) Gun/Ammo, etc.
27. Global, non-violent, NON-COMPLIANCE is the answer, of We the Plebs, to the ‘elite’ New World Order!
28. Find alternatives to EVERYTHING that they’ve set up, to entrap you in THEIR system.
29. What would happen if 200 MILLION AMERICANS refused to pay their taxes, in 2012? (Just a hypothetical question)
30. Familiarize yourself with the concept of BOYCOTT
31. Corporate Membership in the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations):
http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html
32. Don’t ever join a ‘secret’ society
33. Watch ‘Global Warming or Global Governance’ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u81qXOYfKg )
34. Educate yourself. Thomas Jefferson: “If a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be.”

Expand the above list,and share it with everyone you know!

I totally agree with your definitions on paper, but this is why I say it’s not that clear cut. Who are government? Who already control government? If the state owned everything; if they are manipulated by the wealthy elite….you can see where I’m going. I personally don’t like isms. They don’t seem to have ever worked and they don’t seem to have ever developed in the way the average person was hoping they would.

You mention the fact that international financiers helped bring the Bosheviks to power. I’m no expert on this but I imagine that this would have given these financiers a lot of power over the whole banking system of the Soviet Union, especially in the early years. I did read somewhere that the Tsar was not very co-operative with the international financiers so, by backing the Bolsheviks, they got the power they wanted.

Right…I also need to brush up on this area. My understanding was that it wasn’t necessarily about direct control or even profit (maybe that’s what they hoped for to start with), but rather in setting up the communist system, Russia would be a “captive market”, spinning it’s wheels so to speak. It stopped them from being a free market system that could have encroached on the US monopoly men.

As for the definition of “socialism”, I understand it as a much less totalitarian form of communism. Of course, there are varying degrees of socialism. But I would say that if there is still private ownership of property and some degree of private enterprise but not private ownership of the the major means of production and the provision of major essential services, then we have “socialism”. If the state truly represents the people, which I think is possible even in a one-party system, then state ownership of assets and services is actually ownership of these assets by the people. (Do we see multi-party systems now truly representing the people?)

Right, socialism is a system with elements of state controlled housing or healthcare. Not sure where you live, bit I’m in Britain and we have a lot of socialist elements.

You wrote, “The elite might want socialism (Obamacare etc) in the US because they already control most things.” I’m not American so I don’t know the full details on Obamacare but I have read other people’s opinions on this. To say that Obamacare is a form of “socialism” is, I think, a stretch of the imagination. Everyone knows that the U.S. health care system is still far behind that of all the other developed countries in terms of equal access for the less wealthy. All other developed nations such as in Japan, Western Europe, Canada and Australia have varying degrees of nationalized medical care. From what I have read, Obama made a few cosmetic changes to the U.S. system and made it compulsory for people to take out private health insurance. But the power of the private medical care companies, the pharmaceutical companies and especially the private health insurance companies was actually entrenched even further by Obamacare. There’s not much “socialist” about it except for programs such as health care for those on welfare etc. but this existed long before Obama came along.

You’re probably right with Obamacare, I would say it’s more fascist if we’re gonna give it an ism….I threw it out there because it was a term often thrown around. It seems it actually benefits the insurance companies.

As for the argument that the US is headed to Communism, it does fit with some of the 10 planks:

Progressive Taxation
Central Bank (private Federal Reserve)
etc

But again I don’t like isms…it’s elites playing the chessboard, using different systems when it suits them and tearing them down when they don’t.

You mention the fact that international financiers helped bring the Bosheviks to power. I’m no expert on this but I imagine that this would have given these financiers a lot of power over the whole banking system of the Soviet Union, especially in the early years. I did read somewhere that the Tsar was not very co-operative with the international financiers so, by backing the Bolsheviks, they got the power they wanted.

As for the definition of “socialism”, I understand it as a much less totalitarian form of communism. Of course, there are varying degrees of socialism. But I would say that if there is still private ownership of property and some degree of private enterprise but not private ownership of the the major means of production and the provision of major essential services, then we have “socialism”. If the state truly represents the people, which I think is possible even in a one-party system, then state ownership of assets and services is actually ownership of these assets by the people. (Do we see multi-party systems now truly representing the people?)

You wrote, “The elite might want socialism (Obamacare etc) in the US because they already control most things.” I’m not American so I don’t know the full details on Obamacare but I have read other people’s opinions on this. To say that Obamacare is a form of “socialism” is, I think, a stretch of the imagination. Everyone knows that the U.S. health care system is still far behind that of all the other developed countries in terms of equal access for the less wealthy. All other developed nations such as in Japan, Western Europe, Canada and Australia have varying degrees of nationalized medical care. From what I have read, Obama made a few cosmetic changes to the U.S. system and made it compulsory for people to take out private health insurance. But the power of the private medical care companies, the pharmaceutical companies and especially the private health insurance companies was actually entrenched even further by Obamacare. There’s not much “socialist” about it except for programs such as health care for those on welfare etc. but this existed long before Obama came along.

Anthony C Sutton’s Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution documents how it was actually bankers and industrialists that funded and backed the the uprisings. Why? Because it turned Russia in to a “captive market”, they could exploit or at least write off as no longer in their capitalist game. Whether this got out of hand or they actually foresaw Communism’s meteoric rise I don’t think is clear. But like Al Qaeda, all they had to do in order to take over a nation was blame Communism.

Communism could quite well be the end goal, and is argued by many people. In that the elite will already control everything; and will then just share out some scraps for everyone else.

The elite might want socialism (Obamacare etc) in the US because they already control most things. Whereas like you say a smaller foreign country needs to be taken over if they go the socialist route, so they send in the World Bank (see economic hitman) or literally invade.

It’s all very complicated but on a simple level it’s just about Power. Communism/Capitalism, it’s all Bullshit because psychopaths always rise to the top.

The New World Order guys hate this kind of government because if these smaller nations are allowed to be successful they would set an example for the people in the bigger nations. If the bigger nations start nationalizing such things as their transport services, power companies, communications companies, oil companies etc. then the massive wealth of the ultra wealthy will be seriously threatened. So the bottom line is: the New World Order is all about the super rich protecting their wealth. And in the process of protecting their position, they are concentrating even more wealth into their own hands.

Not only that, all the ‘bad guys’ who have been ‘toppled’ or who the West wants to topple are leaders who had or have socialist-style systems and who tried to be independent from the New World Order. Look at Milosevic in Yugoslavia, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, Chavez in Venezuela and Gadaffi in Libya. All of these leaders did good things for their people in terms of creating social equality, providing opportunities such as education for the poor and for females and in terms of providing state welfare such as free (or almost free) medical care. These leaders also resisted outside pressure to control their national assets such as their oil. The New World Order guys hate this kind of government.