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		<title>By: Cats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing new, all these legalisations put in place to protect us are used against us.
I have yet to have one legally work in my favour unless a &quot;hint&quot; of cohesion was hinted at.
Secret DWP documents pertaining to myself which I once managed to obtain, clearly stated in big bold hand written red ink   &quot;disallow for life&quot;  charming eh? I only wanted to claim back some of my parents taxes whilst sick!

This reminds me of the very true stories back in 70ies when working class union members.(steel workers) where in talks to implement higher pay and higher standards of health and safety also debating the rumour of out sourcing over seas. 

They were weary of having telephones and televisions in the house they suspected MI6 were monitoring and having bugging equipment placed in the TV’s, black and white ones at the time and mainly seconded hand bought, that were always back and fore for repair. Quite often if TV was allowed the men would insist on stripping them down to check for surveillance equipment,  No chances were being took that the repair business owner hadn’t been paid off!...men who were directly involved in talks and on a three day week would do a lot of leisure walking of the dog and us children (yes i was of them) and paper coded messages would be picked up and left in hedgerows, slotted between brick work of old bridges! informing of meetings off the record discussing how to over throw management and certain corrupt union bosses.

Gwad what a laugh was had (don’t mean that in facetious way) Solidarity was strong back then.
I can now repeat this, without concerns of being dragged off to dark deep under ground bunkers! or 
A-Wing mental ward under the terrorism act! as the men involved are all long since dead and it would be classed as hear say!.......One plant in South Wales won hand over fist their demands by blackmailing management, with help from certain council and other officials who supported their cause, and doing their own surveillance, enough evidence of managements’ private shady under handed dealing were gathered; It was the 70ies! a photo of a married man in bed with a mistress back then was enough to have them ruined. Unlike today where they are pushed side ways or given a golden hand shake!!.......What’s all this got to do with Mr Emslie?

These lawyers and local police etc all piss in the same pot all the more reason to befriend them and play them at their own game!
He should have attracted  beneficial acquaintances and acquired the art of beating them at their own game by attending local meetings and raising concerns via his ward councillors and MP.
Some rules may have changed but the game is still the same……..fighting them with their own rules is how they’re beaten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new, all these legalisations put in place to protect us are used against us.<br />
I have yet to have one legally work in my favour unless a &#8220;hint&#8221; of cohesion was hinted at.<br />
Secret DWP documents pertaining to myself which I once managed to obtain, clearly stated in big bold hand written red ink   &#8220;disallow for life&#8221;  charming eh? I only wanted to claim back some of my parents taxes whilst sick!</p>
<p>This reminds me of the very true stories back in 70ies when working class union members.(steel workers) where in talks to implement higher pay and higher standards of health and safety also debating the rumour of out sourcing over seas. </p>
<p>They were weary of having telephones and televisions in the house they suspected MI6 were monitoring and having bugging equipment placed in the TV’s, black and white ones at the time and mainly seconded hand bought, that were always back and fore for repair. Quite often if TV was allowed the men would insist on stripping them down to check for surveillance equipment,  No chances were being took that the repair business owner hadn’t been paid off!&#8230;men who were directly involved in talks and on a three day week would do a lot of leisure walking of the dog and us children (yes i was of them) and paper coded messages would be picked up and left in hedgerows, slotted between brick work of old bridges! informing of meetings off the record discussing how to over throw management and certain corrupt union bosses.</p>
<p>Gwad what a laugh was had (don’t mean that in facetious way) Solidarity was strong back then.<br />
I can now repeat this, without concerns of being dragged off to dark deep under ground bunkers! or<br />
A-Wing mental ward under the terrorism act! as the men involved are all long since dead and it would be classed as hear say!&#8230;&#8230;.One plant in South Wales won hand over fist their demands by blackmailing management, with help from certain council and other officials who supported their cause, and doing their own surveillance, enough evidence of managements’ private shady under handed dealing were gathered; It was the 70ies! a photo of a married man in bed with a mistress back then was enough to have them ruined. Unlike today where they are pushed side ways or given a golden hand shake!!&#8230;&#8230;.What’s all this got to do with Mr Emslie?</p>
<p>These lawyers and local police etc all piss in the same pot all the more reason to befriend them and play them at their own game!<br />
He should have attracted  beneficial acquaintances and acquired the art of beating them at their own game by attending local meetings and raising concerns via his ward councillors and MP.<br />
Some rules may have changed but the game is still the same……..fighting them with their own rules is how they’re beaten!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Simmers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Simmers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have known this chap for 45 years and must say I found him a very straight pleasant guy. He might be a bit serious in what he believes in, he is certainly not insane as has been made out. I also have had some hassle with the police in the past, I may say, it was absolutely nothing criminal on my behalf, it was attempting to get the police to do what they are paid to do, that is, when my property got seriously damaged, I tried to get action, I got nothing.  Finally I wrote to the Chief of Police, then I got first class attention. Might it be that David should have gone further up the line of command</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have known this chap for 45 years and must say I found him a very straight pleasant guy. He might be a bit serious in what he believes in, he is certainly not insane as has been made out. I also have had some hassle with the police in the past, I may say, it was absolutely nothing criminal on my behalf, it was attempting to get the police to do what they are paid to do, that is, when my property got seriously damaged, I tried to get action, I got nothing.  Finally I wrote to the Chief of Police, then I got first class attention. Might it be that David should have gone further up the line of command</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David for 20 years I have been going through the same thing but mine got very very bad so bad they tried to murder me and are still trying to bring hurt to me all because I wanted some justice and I could never be allowed to bring it to the Jury of all the things that happend to me...I will just keep it short but if you fancy a cup of coffee and have a chat im up for it ....phez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David for 20 years I have been going through the same thing but mine got very very bad so bad they tried to murder me and are still trying to bring hurt to me all because I wanted some justice and I could never be allowed to bring it to the Jury of all the things that happend to me&#8230;I will just keep it short but if you fancy a cup of coffee and have a chat im up for it &#8230;.phez</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 13:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where housing issues or EU Law are concerned, legal aid is compulsory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where housing issues or EU Law are concerned, legal aid is compulsory</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 13:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should help David take up his case to the Euroean Court of Human Rights. 
Police failing to protect the the Public!!! Deprivation of Housing Benefit is a breach of Article 1 Protocol Breach. I believe this is also a breach of EU Law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should help David take up his case to the Euroean Court of Human Rights.<br />
Police failing to protect the the Public!!! Deprivation of Housing Benefit is a breach of Article 1 Protocol Breach. I believe this is also a breach of EU Law</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 12:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem is not only pervalent in Scotland, but is very much active south of the Scots border, in England. 
In fact thw judiciary together with the Insolvency Services, the Trustees in Bankruptcy, certain members of the Magic Circle firms, the various police forces up and down the country, the SRA, the Bar Standards Council etc are all involved in a protection racket, i.e asset stripping, and wearing you down in the event you pursue justice or are close to exposing their corrupt activities. 

There is no rule of law as we have known it and since there can be no victims without the tacit approval of the Bar Standards Council, the Solicitors&#039; Regulator, the Judiciary, the Police and the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem is not only pervalent in Scotland, but is very much active south of the Scots border, in England.<br />
In fact thw judiciary together with the Insolvency Services, the Trustees in Bankruptcy, certain members of the Magic Circle firms, the various police forces up and down the country, the SRA, the Bar Standards Council etc are all involved in a protection racket, i.e asset stripping, and wearing you down in the event you pursue justice or are close to exposing their corrupt activities. </p>
<p>There is no rule of law as we have known it and since there can be no victims without the tacit approval of the Bar Standards Council, the Solicitors&#8217; Regulator, the Judiciary, the Police and the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Demetean (Brian)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demetean (Brian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 14:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not as unbelievable as some of your foul mouthed critics advocate, and it is not exclusive to Scotland. Nevertheless there are some honest policemen and women out there, as there are a few competent officials. Sadly the system is against exposure of the miscreants. 

The need is for a body that can accept the evidences of the whistle-blowers, check it out, make it public and pursue the individuals  until they are brought before a totally independant body of the highest order, Such a body should be able to impose justice on the perpetrators of such anti-civil activities.

Our under-cover television &#039;detectives&#039; seem to have had the best record in achieving such exposure to date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not as unbelievable as some of your foul mouthed critics advocate, and it is not exclusive to Scotland. Nevertheless there are some honest policemen and women out there, as there are a few competent officials. Sadly the system is against exposure of the miscreants. </p>
<p>The need is for a body that can accept the evidences of the whistle-blowers, check it out, make it public and pursue the individuals  until they are brought before a totally independant body of the highest order, Such a body should be able to impose justice on the perpetrators of such anti-civil activities.</p>
<p>Our under-cover television &#8216;detectives&#8217; seem to have had the best record in achieving such exposure to date.</p>
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		<title>By: JAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had reason to make a complaint against a Grampian Police Officer. The incident and effect was not as serious as the ones described by David but it gave me an insight into the attitude of this policeman and also the denial by the police force in general. They can never be in the wrong.
&quot;In the order of nature…the state precedes the individual.&quot; - Aristotle

David has problems because &quot;It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.&quot; - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire, 1694-1778 

 There are some submitting comments here who seem to have their heads in the clouds and don&#039;t seem to realize what goes on behind the scenes. They will learn in time for  &quot;Wisdom comes by disillusionment.&quot; ~ George Santayana

If it was not for people like David bringing issues to public attention the politicians would pull the blanket over an apathetic and ignorant populace.
And David is justified in seeking the same rights as every other citizen is entitled to, no more and no less. 
 &quot;When an individual is protesting society&#039;s refusal to acknowledge his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity on him.&quot; - Bayard Rustin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had reason to make a complaint against a Grampian Police Officer. The incident and effect was not as serious as the ones described by David but it gave me an insight into the attitude of this policeman and also the denial by the police force in general. They can never be in the wrong.<br />
&#8220;In the order of nature…the state precedes the individual.&#8221; &#8211; Aristotle</p>
<p>David has problems because &#8220;It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.&#8221; &#8211; Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire, 1694-1778 </p>
<p> There are some submitting comments here who seem to have their heads in the clouds and don&#8217;t seem to realize what goes on behind the scenes. They will learn in time for  &#8220;Wisdom comes by disillusionment.&#8221; ~ George Santayana</p>
<p>If it was not for people like David bringing issues to public attention the politicians would pull the blanket over an apathetic and ignorant populace.<br />
And David is justified in seeking the same rights as every other citizen is entitled to, no more and no less.<br />
 &#8220;When an individual is protesting society&#8217;s refusal to acknowledge his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity on him.&#8221; &#8211; Bayard Rustin</p>
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		<title>By: Ex Abdn Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex Abdn Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think David is exaggerating or being self-righteous. Have any of the people on this post actually tried reporting a crime to Grampian Police ? 

I did so when someone pulled a knife on me in broad daylight. He dropped this and fled, luckily for me. Police advised me that they would not be able to get him although they now had the knife he had dropped and a description from me. They only came to the scene after I had telephoned their emergency line 3 times.  

When I reported a flat break in I again had to telephone back for assistance. I was advised that they had written the address down wrongly when I asked why nobody had shown and that the officers had went to the wrong address. Nobody had called me back to ask what the right address was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think David is exaggerating or being self-righteous. Have any of the people on this post actually tried reporting a crime to Grampian Police ? </p>
<p>I did so when someone pulled a knife on me in broad daylight. He dropped this and fled, luckily for me. Police advised me that they would not be able to get him although they now had the knife he had dropped and a description from me. They only came to the scene after I had telephoned their emergency line 3 times.  </p>
<p>When I reported a flat break in I again had to telephone back for assistance. I was advised that they had written the address down wrongly when I asked why nobody had shown and that the officers had went to the wrong address. Nobody had called me back to ask what the right address was.</p>
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		<title>By: caroline wison</title>
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		<dc:creator>caroline wison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suffer from a nervous debility in 2008 I moved with my 4 children to another district leaving a secure tenancy and into a private let and insecure! if I knew then what I know now  I would have run the other way.The house started to fall to pieces within 3 month,after no response from landlord I went to local housing only for advice as raw sewrage was seaping out wastepipes into kitchen.As I have nervous debility it was arranged for home visits with people I thought would without a doubt help.My youngest at the time was 5 month old .11 months we were left with no drainage and it was still seaping in every time it rained I went believing everyone was doing what they could.I did start to get suspicous in march 2010, My allocated support worker called by unannounced ,I had left my mature for ages 15 and 12 year old sons in charge of  7 and almost 2 yr old sibblings for 8 minutes.The support worker had called the police I had been home for 45 minutes before they came out.They read me my rights and charged me! The environmental officer insisted the house was tolerable although he rented property for 1 year unregistered and did not meet any one legal requirement ,when asked for second opinion they sent same officer out .They lied to me about forms I signed and they submitted  a homeless application im sure it was an illegal eviction. After a strange phone call jn may im sure my phone is hacked.THE LIST IS ENDLESS! For 3 month I have studied housing law and have managed to get this far they even tried to set me up with social work 8 or 9 times.I fear for what tuesday 2nd of november will bring because iM SURE I have upset alot of people that tried to set me up yet again! As for the house that is still in a dangerous state of disrepair somehow has new tenants including a child.Its just a short stay as the  landlord  wants to demolish and build flats but doesnt want to lose money in the meantime! Authorities are well aware perhaps its something to do with his wife is a local registrar for births,deaths and marriges!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suffer from a nervous debility in 2008 I moved with my 4 children to another district leaving a secure tenancy and into a private let and insecure! if I knew then what I know now  I would have run the other way.The house started to fall to pieces within 3 month,after no response from landlord I went to local housing only for advice as raw sewrage was seaping out wastepipes into kitchen.As I have nervous debility it was arranged for home visits with people I thought would without a doubt help.My youngest at the time was 5 month old .11 months we were left with no drainage and it was still seaping in every time it rained I went believing everyone was doing what they could.I did start to get suspicous in march 2010, My allocated support worker called by unannounced ,I had left my mature for ages 15 and 12 year old sons in charge of  7 and almost 2 yr old sibblings for 8 minutes.The support worker had called the police I had been home for 45 minutes before they came out.They read me my rights and charged me! The environmental officer insisted the house was tolerable although he rented property for 1 year unregistered and did not meet any one legal requirement ,when asked for second opinion they sent same officer out .They lied to me about forms I signed and they submitted  a homeless application im sure it was an illegal eviction. After a strange phone call jn may im sure my phone is hacked.THE LIST IS ENDLESS! For 3 month I have studied housing law and have managed to get this far they even tried to set me up with social work 8 or 9 times.I fear for what tuesday 2nd of november will bring because iM SURE I have upset alot of people that tried to set me up yet again! As for the house that is still in a dangerous state of disrepair somehow has new tenants including a child.Its just a short stay as the  landlord  wants to demolish and build flats but doesnt want to lose money in the meantime! Authorities are well aware perhaps its something to do with his wife is a local registrar for births,deaths and marriges!</p>
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