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Hollie Greig Story A Hoax?


Keelan BaldersonOctober 14th, 2012Satanic Panic, WideShut Webcast34 Comments »

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In the summer of 2000, Hollie told her mother, Anne, that she had been repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie and brother Greg. The abuse had begun when Hollie was just six years` old. Hollie said that Greg had also been abused by his father.

Anne Greig reported this immediately to the local police station in Aberdeen. During the course of that summer, Hollie, who has Down`s Syndrome, began to provide more names of abusers. It transpired that Denis Mackie had been sharing his daughter with a ring of sexual abusers, which included a serving police officer with the Grampian force, Terry Major and an Aberdeen sheriff, Graeme Buchanan.

HollieDemandsJustice.org

Is the Hollie Greig case a hoax? That’s the opinion of disaffected former supporters of the story, who went searching for basic evidence to support the claims of self-professed investigator Robert Green and Anne Greig, the mother of the lady in question, and found it completely lacking. According to them and their alternative media talking heads at the UK Column, Hollie Greig, a Down syndrome sufferer was abused by a gang of paedophile’s from the age of 6 years old.

On this week’s show Keelan talks with members of the Hollie Greig Hoax group, including two of Hollie’s alleged abusers, Sylvia Major and Wyn Dragon-Smith, who assert that the whole story is a fabrication. There is not one piece of physical, forensic, eye witness or circumstantial evidence that links either of these two ladies to any abuse of Hollie Greig, yet their names have been plastered all over the Internet and dragged through the mud.

In fact did you know that some of the members of this paedophile ring that has supposedly operated for over a decade in Aberdeen, Scotland, don’t even exist? Or that alleged victims alongside Hollie were either not yet born or adults before they even met her, and have publicly denied they were harmed in any way?

hollie greig

Did you know that Robert Green met with a Christian lobby group that includes dubious psychotherapist Valerie Sinason, MPs and Lords, who appeared to want Green to sex up the satanic side of the story in to a “satanic panic” like they did in the 90s, although was subsequently debunked?

It is now clear that the scandal in this case is not the abuse of an innocent down syndrome girl, but the exploitation of an innocent down’s syndrome girl by snake oil salesmen, dubious activists, Christian fantasists, psychological manipulators, and delusional truthers who have become blind believers of an incompetent alternative media, just like the mainstream “sheep” they condemn!

Everyone has their vested interest. Whether it’s David Icke using the story to prop up his flimsy claims of widespread Satanic Ritual abuse among the wealthy elite, Brian Gerrish & the UK Column lauding it as another example in their crusade against the state, social services and family courts, or Belinda McKenzie (former landlady of MI5 Messiah David Shalyer) adding it to her long list of “activist” causes, the Hollie Greig story and its mythology has grown like a cancer in the truth-seeking movement.

Like a cancer, perhaps its whole purpose was to kill? Kill the credibility of a growing counter culture that always seems to find itself stumbling on to the right things, only for its “leaders” to become Messiahs, egotists or clichéd conspiracy goofs.

If the alternative media is going to retain any credibility, act now, expose the Hollie Greig Hoax!

FURTHER READING:

FAQ:

– Have you ever invited Robert Green, Anne Greig, Brian Gerrish or other supporters of the Hollie Greig story on to your show for a rebuttal?

“No I have not, but just because I haven’t doesn’t prove Hollie Greig was abused by a gang of paedophiles for over a decade. The story put out by the aforementioned is well known and been regurgitated throughout the alternative media for years, so to imply I’m doing a disservice by giving the other side a fair hearing is an oxymoron. I have contacted the UK Column, including sending a physical letter in the past for other reasons and did not even get a response. The Hoax group have tried to engage in a debate many times only to be turned down or accused of all sorts of heinous things. It is the proponents of the story that do not wish to discuss what the Hoax group have brought forward.”

– If Hollie wasn’t abused why has a gag order been put on the story?

“This question contradicts the first one. If there was a gag order how could I talk to the aforementioned proponents of the story? In fact how could I legally publish articles about the story? However there is no gag order and like most of the information presented as fact in this case, this is another distortion. The only person legally prevented from talking about the case is Robert Green. Specifically he is no longer allowed to go around harassing and accusing innocent people of being paedophiles.” (Court Document)

– If Hollie wasn’t abused why was she paid compensation?

“The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) do not require a crime to have been proven in a court of law to make payment, they use their independent judgment and do not work to the same standard as police investigators etc. It would also be foolish to assume that because Hollie received a pay out, that this proves it was because a gang of satanic abusers, some of who can vanish from all known records, operating for over a decade, abused her. The CICA payout was based on Anne Greig’s story and the fact that Hollie was not a virgin, not on any particular evidence. While this seems odd, CICA have been criticized many times for paying out on flimsy claims. Their purpose is to quiet those that have been failed by the justice system and they do not care if some false claims are caught in the net. I personally do not rule out the possibility that Hollie could have been abused at some point in her life. But her mother, Robert Green and the alternative media talking heads have covered this possibility in a sea of nonsense.” (CICA Explained)



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  • Duncan
    • Brian

      I think that all conspiracy theorists should be challenged as many just tell you what they think you want to here.

      For example all you have to do is stand on a stage and call David Cameron a nasty name and they all cheer! Brian Gerrish!!!

      That’s not information that’s a show just like David Icke!

  • Paranoiaman

    Now we’ve gotten the “Hollie Greig” misdirection out of the way, we can start asking questions about the cover-up in the case of the Dunblane School shootings, the links to Members of Parliament, Police and other public figures, all sealed under a closure order, preventing any publication for 100 years.

  • PavlovsBITch

    Now that’s interesting. I was tracking the Greig story and the last I knew was of Robert Green’s alleged imprisonment. However, having been a past subscriber to UK Column’s paper, I smelled a rat the moment I discovered the David Icke connection on their links/affiliates. I questioned Mike Robinson on this via email and he confirmed that he supported Icke and saw no reason not to, whereby I began to seriously doubt that either he or Gerrish were the real deal which has, incidentally, been confirmed by viewing a couple of their you tube presentations – pathetic. I also found the alleged imprisonment of the chairman of the British Constitution party overblown and lacking credibility in that man’s account on subsequent ‘release’. It’s not that the events in the ‘Hollie Greig’ case do not happen on a regular basis – they certainly do – but that these ‘ex’ (ahem) military men and their limp-wristed lackeys are discrediting valid enquiry, research and exposure and if that be the case, shame on them and BLAME for the SAME on them! Certainly, there is enough circumstantial evidence against Icke to tar him and all his associations with the same brush.

    • Brian

      It’s important to apologize when you make a mistake. Brian Gerrish has not apologized and will be tarnished with the Hollie Greig story for ever!

      The same apples to David Icke and Bill Maloney and any others connected to it.

      It just goes to show how conspiracy theorists jump into anything that fits in with the theory they have and yet they all say they do research!

      Maybe the whole thing was a setup to make them all look stupid!!!

      • Veronica

        “Maybe the whole thing was a setup to make them all look stupid!!!”

        Good thought, Brian … but I really don’t think Anne Greig is that clever. No … what’s at play here is “arrogance” and “ego”, and the unwillingness to admit when one is wrong.

    • Veronica

      I have known all of these people personally (but will not longer have anything to do with them) … and I completely agree with you, PavlovsBITch. You have hit many nails completely on the head.

  • alison b

    Ah But Wait! Could it be part of a wider plan! could this exploitation of a child!,… This vulturous example conspiracy story telling be made the conspirators; who wish to put people off the rising interest of conspiracy theories since the rise of the net being at the touch of a button.. trying to break its trend by making it unfashionable and stupid for believing and leaning towards perspectives which might accuse of question authority. Or to vilify the trends of questioning the system? or even more a way to water down information to a point that no one knows the truth, while also preserving the separation of scientific knowledge,and lexicon, as well as political knowledge as a language for the elite ;-)

  • TITO

    Hoax you better tell the Criminal Injuries then that they were hoaxed.

    The hoaxers seem to be struggling to make a case here
    http://www.disclose.tv/forum/robert-green-thrown-in-jail-for-1-year-hollie-greig-t68008.html

    Pie and Mash and the UK col whats in it for them?

    More importantly whats in it for the anonymous hoxers who are linked in with one Greg Watkins a disinfo agent if ever there was one ,with Ian Parker Joseph and Anna Racoon ,or is that Nundy .

    If it walks like a duck

    • Brian

      “The hoaxers seem to be struggling to make a case here”

      Robert Green was sending hate mail to people saying there is a paedophile in your street, that’s why he was sent to jail!

      “Pie and Mash and the UK col whats in it for them?”

      Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story!

      • holliegreig justice

        the facts are clear abuse payout cover up

        Robert greens action don’t change that FACT

        http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/

      • holliegreig justice

        facts ? abuse,fact,payout ,fact ,cover up,fact

      • mangnacartafuckall

        Brian tour blog seems to have run out of steam two years ago,but to sum up magna carta and the truthers are lying,that

    • Henry

      What’s in it for the Column? Really asking that? Money…fame..political power..which comes with a following. That is all BG is about.

      • holliegreig justice

        Aye right ,ask 100 people if they have heard about the Column,money ,what money ,have you seen their accounts? Naw!
        Political power what power do they have ,you could make the same case for this page
        The truth is she was abused they paid hush money tried to cover it uo,what ever anyone else did that’s the truth and the Hoaxers are working with the powers of the state to cover that up.

  • Ben

    Hello, new here, be nice!

    I have a few issues with the hoax part of this story, firstly i believe that Hollie was abused by person or persons unknown, at first the accusations of a high ranking pedophile ring seemed far fetched, however with the recent uncovering of J.S. and the building story and body of evidence around the elm guest house and with the number of dead MPS (C.S) that are being accused the scenario is looking more and more plausible, there is also the point that the CPS decided to pay H.G. compensation money, around £13,000, now this was paid in because the belief was that although there was no physical evidence of abuse, it was backed up by phycological reports from independent organisations (DSA) and that it would be unfair to put H.G. through the trauma of giving evidence and given here disability her ability at appear as a credible witness may be called into question, causing further distress.
    As someone who has worked with adults with learning disabilities and especially D.S. for the past 20 years and is the father of a child with D.S. i consider myself somewhat of an expert on the abilities and level of understanding that these people are capable of, now like every individual there are a wide range of differences between our abilities, the same is said for people with Downs, some are unable to function in the most basic way unaided while others are capable of holding down jobs and living quite independently, i would say Hollie is just below the higher end of the scale, in short she would qualify for assisted living, that means she could live in a group home but with minimal support throughout the day, could she fabricate a story like this doubtful but more importantly could she maintain this story over a period of time, again id have to say very doubtful, although it can be easy to manipulate and “put words into someone mouth” who has D.S. it would be nearly impossible for them to constantly maintain this story over a long period of time, nearly impossible, i suppose with the right conditioning and time and ipcress file type brain washing it could be done.
    But then you come back to the reports done by the D.S.A., backed H.G. in her story, these people are the experts.

    I suppose the question is why would someone make this up, the murder of some people involved cannot be denied, the strong response of the Scottish government towards R.G. cannot be denied and now we have very clear links and evidence of high ranking pedophile rings operating using vulnerable children for there own gratification and influencing investigations into there crimes, then theres the payment of compensation to H.G. all fairly good indicators that something happened.
    My other issue is why is it some people can believe that there was a cover up in the dunblane case, where 17 people/children were killed but think its unfeasible for there to be a pedophile ring operating in government?
    Also there is the issue of social services near constant effort to remove H.G. from her mother, which if i’m i correct they have succeeded in doing, soon as the appeal process has been exhausted.

    Finally, i should say that i have meet H.G. while supporting her through a court process, just morally not in a professional capacity, i spent time talking to her, (not about the abuse) we discussed her schooling, favourite foods, current events and her hopes for christmas.
    R.G. iv never meet,
    A.G. i have to say was quite nice, as one parent of a D.S. child to another but showing sigh’s of extreme stress.

    Thank you for staying with me, i find your site to be a useful source of information.

    • Keelan Balderson

      Welcome, I always think it’s careless to lump two stories together. Because A) happened doesn’t prove B) happened. With the Jimmy Savile case there is a vast body of corroborative information, not so with Hollie Greig. The basic story presented by talking heads like Robert Green and Brian Gerrish are as baseless as people they claim abused her aren’t even real people, just random names with connections that aren’t true. For example Sheriff Buchanan doesn’t have a sister so abuse could not have taken place at his sister’s house. And where was this house even supposed to be?

      As somebody who has worked with Downs Syndrome children you will of course understand that Robert Green’s claim that they cannot lie, is a lie.

      The story is not coming from Hollie, she has only made a few appearances where she’s discussed the case herself. The rest comes from Anne. Robert and the alternative media machine.

      And the question is not why would they lie, the question is can what they say be proven? Why they’d lie is irrelevant. People get deluded every day for umpteen different reasons.

      It is my understanding that the payout was based on a lack of information provided by Anne. If they were aware of the whole story it may not have happened. That system of payouts itself has been criticized.

      I for one don’t rule out that Hollie may have been abused at some point during he school years, perhaps in an isolated incident, but we’ll never know the truth because of this baseless campaign that has clouded everything with nonsense.

      • Ben

        Thank you for the civil reply, im in agreement that R.G. is perhaps one of the worst representatives for anybody, whilst i think his determination to find out the truth is nobel but misguided there are some striking and very basic mistakes/errors he has made that given his self appointed post of spokesperson for H.G. he should have known better, both the lying and sheriff relations issues could have been disproven with some simple research, saving some time and face for the people involved.
        Im also in agreement with you about the dangers of lumping two different cases together, however it was used as an example of how the for along time people dismissed the stories of J.S. and Elm guest house as paranoid delusions or fantasy, simply to be proven that there is/ was high level, influential pedophiles operating and co operating with each other, they may not be directly related but there are more than a few similarities between the stories.
        As i said i’m basing my own beliefs on my own findings and interactions with H.G., the reports filed by the DSA the pay out and a feeling that something isn’t right, I’m also willing to accept that my own work and family may cloud my judgement.

        Anyway, thanks you Keelan for giving me the opportunity to discuss, you’ve given me some points to think about.

  • Stephen

    The way the elite pedophile network operate is to label anyone a conspiracy theorist who tries to expose them. David Icke has been right about many things, yet people still remain up their arrogant backsides. Soon the elite pedophiles will be exposed.

    • Keelan Balderson

      It’s not arrogant to ask David Icke for proof for some of his wilder claims. His books are very poorly sourced if at all. We jump all over the mainstream media whne they get something wrong or spin a topic, but then often let the alternative say what the hell they like and take it as gospel. There’s a reason why Icke always says at the beginning of his talks “Don’t believe me, you don’t have to believe what I say”…because it’s reverse psychology. And I like Icke, he’s linked to this site many times, he’s very inspiring, BUT he’s not beyond criticism.

    • KeepCalm

      david icke has been right on a lot of things and i like the guy, doesnt mean he’s right about everything. there’s a big difference between giving icke a chance to make his case and listening to his side, and someone who believes everything he says. after all, if things are as confusing and weird as he says (i have read his books and seen him live) wouldn’t it be incredibly suspicious if he had EVERY single thing right?

  • Ada

    If it was an elaborate hoax, wouldn’t the gagging order have been lifted to dis-credit the dis-creditors?

    • Keelan Balderson

      There is no gag order.

      • holliegreig justice

        Theres no reporting it either,except by the Firm and the Drum and the P and J despite being the most expensive BOP trial in Scotlands history,except for Leaskeys fit up job!

        • http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/ holliegreig justice

          stv covered rustys case and managed tae miss out any mention of hollie or Robert their lawyers,lavy macrae

  • tito

    THE HOLLIE HOAX TEAM ARE NOW IN DISARRAY

    holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk

    • Keelan Balderson

      And why is that?

      • Sonia Greig

        Hi am not sure if you can help me but we being myself and my husband Gary Greig have been trying to get in contact with his Auntie Anne Greig. If you can help just even get a message to her please email me any help would be gratefully received we have tried very hard to reach her and the sooner the better. Regards Sonia and Gary

        • Keelan Balderson

          Hey Sonia unfortunately we don’t have any direct contact with Anne, and those that do aren’t in the habit of talking to us. I wish I could be of more help.

  • Dan

    A story full of fabrication and lies. Robert Green is nothing but an attention seeker. This ‘story’ has no substance or evidence that links together. What is worse here is that several innocent peoples names and reputations have been tarnished because of Robert Green’s actions.

  • Veronica

    15th February, 2014

    Well done Keelan! She’s still at it … the latest from Belinda (forwarded it to me … although I knew her pretty well, I’m not on her list):

    “Dear All

    Following a ‘solemn’ hearing of the charge yesterday afternoon (‘solemn’ is more serious than ‘summary’ under Scottish law) Robert was retained on remand and was taken to Perth Prison late yesterday evening.

    (Reason for Perth is that Aberdeen/Craiginches where he was before is closed so prisoners automatically get transferred there.)

    The proceedings against him will resume on Friday 21st February back in Aberdeen, support is needed, please!

    His prison number is the same as before in case anyone wishes to write to him – Robert Green No.125799 HMP Perth, 3 Edinburgh Road Perth PH2 8AT Phone 01738 622293 but they are not answering calls, we can imagine why.

    URGENT: a solicitor is needed to represent Robert on Friday, needs obviously to be based in Scotland and/or familiar with Scottish law. My assumption that the charge ‘Breach of a Non-Harassment Order’ relates to the ‘perpetual interdict’ (= ‘permanent injunction’) placed on him against ‘harassment’ of a certain person may or may not be correct, the solicitor will be able to find that out.

    Please get in touch asap if you know anyone who might be able to take this on?

    Thanks again for all the emails/messages, I’ll try to answer but bear with me!

    Belinda”

    Robert Green never learns.

  • you evil bastards

    sounds like a bunch of pedos here…

    • http://holliegreigjustice.blogspot.co.uk/ holliegreig justice

      :)

  • Debt Slave

    DAVID ICKE SAID JIMMY SAVILE WAS A NECROPHILIAC PAEDOPHILE IN THE EARLY 1990’s…DID ANYONE BELIEVE HIM THEN??? NO. BUT IT WAS STONE COLD TRUE. HE IS NOT RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT I’D TRUST HIM MORE THAN ANYONE IN GOVERNMENT EVER…