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English, British, Nationalist, Racist: what does it all mean?


Keelan BaldersonJuly 22nd, 2013UK Politics11 Comments »

Are you “English” or “British”? “Nationalist or “Racist”? And why are people so scared about using the “correct” terms? In today’s quick blog I recount a personal story that may put it in to perspective.

Internet chat rooms and message boards are a fascinating place, full of colorful characters, obscure ideologies and alternative dogmas that rarely break through in to mainstream society. PalTalk – a community based Skype-like software is a treasure trove of craziness, debate (and argument). I’ve heard Americans try and explain why Obama is a secret Muslim to a crowd of anti-war chatters, who were criticizing his use of drones on…innocent Muslims. I’ve witnessed the case be made for a strict diet of only bananas by a hardcore animal rights advocate who urinates in plastic bottles in his own home. And I’ve had the pleasure of talking to crazy drunks that live on house boats who seem to stumble online for a chat after closing time.

One such area that has particularly interested me in recent years is the EDL chat-rooms and some of their more radical online associations. One chap was adamant that there’s a concerted conspiracy by politicians and the media to destroy the “English” identity so we can be swallowed up in to a melting pot of European control.

As somebody who is anti-EU, mainly because I see it subverting democracy and centralizing power, broadly speaking I can see his point, however my arguments have always been about sovereignty and economics not culture. I don’t really identify with the nationalist rhetoric of the UKIP, BNP or the EDL, because my reason for being anti-EU is not born out of national pride. I don’t respect the bloody history of the English, I think the Royals should have their benefits cut, and “support ourrrr troops” I most certainly do not. At least not in the sense of supporting any of the wars since World War II.

It’s hard really to define what “Englishness” even is. To some of my seniors it was a time when Jim Davidson was still allowed on the telly and the odd reference to “Pakis” was normal. Is it simply a generation game? (see what I did there), where values are changing and some people are desperately clinging on to the past? Or was the change orchestrated deliberately to coincide with New Labour’s mass immigration policies?

An incident that brought all this back to me involved my mother and a trip to the hospital the other week. A nurse with a clip-board asked her what nationality she was. Not really giving it a thought my mother responded “English”, to which the nurse replied… “is that what you consider yourself?”

Not really grasping what the nurse was getting at my mum confusingly reiterated “errr yeah?”

“So you consider yourself English?”

This awkward conversation continued far longer than it should have. In hindsight we can assume the nurse was expecting her to say “British”, though she never prompted my mother that British was the correct term. It was only later at home that it dawned on her what had happened. “Did she think I was being a racist?”

“Do you think she wheeled me off to a different room where only the English are put?”

Though it was a joke, it’s an interesting question. Since there was no multiple choice or prompting, and a bizarre insistence about what my mum “considered herself”, it makes you wonder whether there isn’t some creepy data mining going on, about what people consider themselves.

To be honest I had to briefly Google the terms English and British when she got back, because I (and no doubt others) often use the phrases interchangeably. Of course English by its basic understanding simply means from England. In that sense my mother wasn’t incorrect. She was born in England, lives in England and has barely ever left England, even for a holiday.

The PC term however is British, because politically and in terms of empire, Scotland and Wales are with us as well. Northern Ireland got thrown in there later to make the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So we may also wonder why we don’t have to define ourselves as UKish.

The more you look in to all of these terms the more confusing it gets, especially when you look at the ideologies of the “far-right” parties that tend to use them. UKIP are the UK Independence Party, so we can assume they like having our close geographical neighbors along for the ride. They also obviously want the UK independent of Europe.

However Nigel Farage doesn’t have many nice things to say about the Scottish who want independence from the UK. In this regard he has been labeled an English nationalist, part of a bully-boy empire ruled from England. Yet he himself has also called them racist against the English.

This then moves us along to the BNP who preach about protecting the Native British, a term that is extremely hard to define, but in their eyes seems to involve anyone who has lived here for several generations, including black people and Asian shop owners. It seems anybody from Europe or further afield who has arrived here in recent years is in trouble.

The English Defence League use all the symbolism of Englishness – the St. George’s flag etc, though their only overt message seems to be to quell the spread of Islam, and they have a bizarre fascination with supporting Israel, not least because rich Jews funded them. The Englishness they adorn makes a bit more sense when you learn the EDL’s membership has a big football supporter crossover, and in football the focus is generally on singular countries.

Where this leaves my poor mother I have no idea. She and most other people in this country (Union, Empire?) are not concerned with any of this, yet it seems the fear of getting it wrong and the fear of racism results in awkward conversations in the hospital.

As for what I consider myself – in terms of forms, whatever the hell will get me the least hassle, but deep down I’ve never felt English, British, UKish or European. In fact anyone preoccupied with this annoys me. I find it extremely shallow to adopt a tribe based on nothing more than geographical location, skin color or an undefinable “culture”. I’m interested in somebody’s individual values and whether they’re a nice and decent person. Everything else is just a silly game we should have grew out of centuries ago.



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  • steve

    The spiel about “I don’t care what you look like just so long as you’re a nice person’ is just a variant of the “I’m not racist I Promise” dance of the guilty white liberal

    Call it shallow if you want, but forming tribes around race and shared culture is as natural to human beings as breathing. I had to laugh at school when the teachers would preach the equality and diversity bible only to find that the black and asian kids would voluntarily self-segregate from everyone else when it came to friendship groups.

    As for the question of Englishness – it is not cut and dry, that’s for sure. There have been enough invasions over the centuries to make us a genetically varied bunch. But to deny that there exists a separate English culture and (white) identity AT ALL is utter nonsense.

    Tell me, could you pick the ‘English’ names out of this list? Could you perhaps take a wild guess at which names on this list would be those of white people? And which of them, when asked at the hospital for their nationality, might say ‘English’?

    Chinwezu Agbodza
    John Partridge
    Anwar Patel
    Stephen Pettigrew
    Alan Benson
    Cristiano Miguel De Santos Rodriguez

    If you say ‘no’ your are a liar :)

    “As for what I consider myself – in terms of forms, whatever the hell will get me the least hassle” – and that right there is your problem. You’ve let yourself be bullied into denying your own identity

    • Keelan Balderson

      Short of saying “nope I really don’t care what people look like” there’s not really much response I can give you to your first sentence, so I’ll just leave it by itself in its absurd entirety.
      “The spiel about “I don’t care what you look like just so long as you’re a nice person’ is just a variant of the “I’m not racist I Promise” dance of the guilty white liberal”

      Call it shallow if you want, but forming tribes around race and shared culture is as natural to human beings as breathing. I had to laugh at school when the teachers would preach the equality and diversity bible only to find that the black and asian kids would voluntarily self-segregate from everyone else when it came to friendship groups.

      I don’t necessarily disagree with this, but it doesn’t mean I want to keep the UK ethnically pure either. You can accept immigration and “English” identity at the same time you know.

      “As for what I consider myself – in terms of forms, whatever the hell will get me the least hassle” – and that right there is your problem. You’ve let yourself be bullied into denying your own identity.

      Not at all, I am my own identity; nobody is dictating who I am. I don’t care about pointless labels. Whether it be British, English, UKish, it’s just word games.

      • steve

        “Short of saying “nope I really don’t care what people look like” there’s not really much response I can give you to your first sentence, so I’ll just leave it by itself in its absurd entirety.

        I think it’s dishonest to try and reduce the race issue into just “what you look like”. People in general seem to get on better with others that are ethnically similar when it comes to making friends, forming relationships etc, specifically because there is more to ethnicity than just the colour of your skin.
        You can claim you’re above ‘that sort of thing’, and of course I can’t argue that without knowing you personally, but I would guess you would probably find yourself feeling more out of place/uncomfortable at, say, a Jamaican dancehall event than a rock festival (presuming you are white english, as this article suggests).

        “Not at all, I am my own identity; nobody is dictating who I am. I don’t care about pointless labels. Whether it be British, English, UKish, it’s just word games”

        ok perhaps I should have said “denying your nationality”. I do think it’s telling that your mum said “Did she think I was being a racist?” – as though simply identifying what country you’re from can be racist, so long as that country happens to be england.

        my own personal conspiracy theory on this matter is that the elites prefer to push the ‘british’ identity as it is more malleable, rather than ‘english’ which does indeed hold a racial aspect to it. by destroying a specifically white identity, they can make the public more open to mass immigration, which the elites need to keep the working population downtrodden and dependent on the government.

        • steve

          Jez: is this because he’s black?

          Big Suze: NO!! I hadn’t even noticed!

          :D

  • lighthorse16

    Sovereignty ? How can sovereignty mean anything when England doesn’t have a currency it can call its own.. National identity ? Only people who have British blood should be allowed to print and issue Money.. Mr Rothschild, Goldman Sachs et al are definitely NOT British..

  • Pete

    You know damn well that one of the key agendas of the “Globalists” is mass imigration, disolution of all national chracters and creation of the “One Race”.

    You know damn well about the “Everyone should be ethnocentric but the Whites” rule that the Globalists created just like the “Only Whites can be racist” rule.

    You know damn well that non-Whites are given blatant advantage in political and intellectual discourse, media and culture, welfare system, immigration policies, etc, etc.

    You know damn well that the system is deeply anti-White simply because Whites are the first targets in the Globalist plan of creating the “One Race”.

    You’re just trying to cover up the biggest elephant in the room when it comes to the “anti-NWO” circles…their racial agenda.

    Why? Because of ideological bias and/or because you’re just another non-white suffering from a bad case of “What is good for my race/tribe at the expense of White hiding behind anti-racism”.

    You know it and i know it.

    • Keelan Balderson

      What a good way to make a case
      “…you know damn well”

  • Gazz

    ‘Queen of England’ ? ‘Prince of Wales’ ? ‘The British Empire’ ?

    Think about it :)

  • Libertarian

    This country has turned into a multicultural shithole.

  • Hiddensap

    Well first of witht he racism push we have all seen with the nasty racial tension being spewed through the tv and papers, not just in the UK but US and Europe.

    But I also think people need to keep in mind the english defence league cropping up about 5 years BEFORE a push for independence in scotland.

    I see there is a push to identify the english as english again, television/papers, cultural propaganda ect.

    This could be, to divide these islands, which could be a strategy to pull us into the EU, fully.

    Possible senario with scotland taking euro first, wales and northern island following as prequels to england joining at some point in the future, the pound smay not last at the rate it is going.

  • Sam Spade

    This article was like reading some kids school report.
    Who cares how YOU feel about Nationalism? I think its odd though, you say the British are not a culture. Considering the people are direct descendents of people who have lived in the region for God only knows, have their own language, film and music styles, theatre, distinguishable facial types, food… I could go on forever. Cro-Magnon DNA is directly modern European as far back as 28,000yrs but lets not count that either. Jews and Queen may forbid that people say “why are their so many angry Africans living in London?” because then all hell will break lose.
    As far as WW2… maybe you should of sided with your true King. King Edward VIII who was mysteriously shoved off… Now the whole nation is controlled by Marxists and Zionists.